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#37576: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:11:04 PM

Not entirely impossible. Meta Knight can fly underneath it and right back up the other side.

I like the first Final Destination. It's just a big octagon, but smaller than the other Final Destinations.

edited 3rd Mar '14 7:25:27 PM by Keybreak

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#37577: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:11:19 PM

I mean, obviously male Wii Fit Trainer isn't definitely confirmed, and shouldn't be on the trope page.

But jumping down everyone's throats when they assume that it's going to be an alt is dumb.

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#37578: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:13:22 PM

You know, I just realized: we have 24 characters confirmed. This means we probably have over half the roster confirmed. It's not even E3 yet.

Unless they just really stuff a ton of characters in this game, and Sakurai's statements make me highly doubt this.

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#37579: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:13:45 PM

I have a feeling that, all together, people think there's something unfair about each and every single stage.

And Irene, I didn't say anything about the date; that was Moth. I was apologizing for misinformation on my part.

[up][up] And the main tropes page is (partly) where I got my false information from!

edited 3rd Mar '14 7:31:46 PM by MrYoshbert

Eh.
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#37580: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:14:12 PM

I just liked the first final destination because its background reflected how much HP Master Hand had left. If the backgrounds in future destinations had been more dynamic, the stage would have been more fun, if only in a small way.

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#37581: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:14:47 PM

If I were in charge, I'd want Final Destination to be a blend of elements of everyone's home worlds. Eiher shapeshifting, or as some sort of chaotic mix of castle walls and rope bridges and warp pipes. Make it feel really final.

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#37582: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:24:26 PM

@Yoshbert: Either somebody poorly updated a page, or you saw it before the page was changed to outright say "it was spotted" with no context to its meaning(since there was none in the Miiverse post at all).

As for stages, yeah, that's how life is. Everybody complains about something.

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#37583: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:34:46 PM

There's always the possibility that the person preparing the updates occasionally thinks that further context beyond what is implie by the visuals may be redundant.

Clearly, a form of underesitmating the fanbase, but not every omitted explanation is part of a long plan, I think.

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#37584: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:41:04 PM

Also, we don't even know what role Male Wii Fit Trainer will play, aside from just appearing.

Is he an assist trophy? A cameo? A summon character part of Female Trainer's moveset? Maybe he could be an alternate costume for all we know (which would be funny for me if this turned out to be the case).

But I digress. And I regret even making that comment now.

edited 3rd Mar '14 7:44:22 PM by MrYoshbert

Eh.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37585: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:42:36 PM

Or he translated it differently for each region just because.

After reading more than one, I can safely say the translations aren't always accurate to the original meaning in the Japanese post. So that's not even applicable to every single one. That Japanese Miiverse post of the supposed costume? Same thing. It does not mention it more than a celebration of when Wii Fit came out, and showed a picture of the regular Wii Fit Trainer and a male one without any real context. Also, keep in mind then when it was posted, it was November 1st in Japan.

Also, in addition, Sakurai did note when Valentine's Day was before, so he's not being clear on what Holidays matter at this point in time. Plus, the fact he hasn't announced when an Assist Trophy has come up each time makes it very possible that's all the male version is. I still lean towards it being a costume, but it's definitely unclear what his role is at this time. It's reasonable to guess, but reasonable to act like he confirmed it... which is blatantly never said it was a costume regardless. Anywhere.

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Also, I double checked. All speculation of what his role is(besides noting that his role is unknown) was removed from the trope pages proper. I await a WMG of it, but yeah.

edited 3rd Mar '14 7:44:55 PM by Irene

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#37586: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:44:51 PM

Speaking of summonable parts of movesets, did anyone ever find an example (besides Phantom) of something first being confirmed in the character pictures? Because if nothing else has been I'd say that makes it more likely that Phantom is moveset related.

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#37587: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:48:04 PM

Do people fear or regret saying anything just so the monotonous debates and cease?

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#37588: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:48:43 PM

A few moves were directly confirmed. One of those was Diddy Kong's Barrel Rockets. Then there's Wii Fit Trainer's Final Smash. A good chunk of Mega Man's moves and most of Villager's moves existing. Little Mac's standard special can OHKO people if his power meter is charged, a few Final Smashes otherwise, and some of Rosalina's moves.

Diddy has the least directly said. We see that his Peanut Popgun was apparently back, and that a Banana appears, but that was an Item too, so we got no clue on that one. Reasonable guess, but that's it.

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#37589: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:50:21 PM

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We've seen that exact same pose on Zelda, with her arm slightly more extended with a Phantom nowhere to be seen.

So, unless we're to expect that the Phantom appears, slashes, and vanishes, all in the time it takes Zelda's arm extend fully, I'd say there's pretty much no reason to expect the Phantom is part of her moveset.

It looks to me like it was an Assist Trophy that was cleverly timed with Zelda's jab to make an interesting picture.

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edited 3rd Mar '14 7:51:32 PM by Enlong

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#37590: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:54:20 PM

I mean things not related to the character. Because it seems weird that Phantom would show up on Zelda's page if it wasn't related to her.

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#37591: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:55:36 PM

mac appears on diddy's page and he's not related to him

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#37592: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:56:15 PM

Not really. It's from her series, so it makes a cool image alongside her.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#37593: Mar 3rd 2014 at 7:56:54 PM

[up][up]Mac was already revealed at that point.

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#37594: Mar 3rd 2014 at 8:05:07 PM

Peach and Luigi's alternate costumes should be each others standard outfit.
Heh, I actually get the reference.

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#37595: Mar 3rd 2014 at 8:05:37 PM

[up][up][up] And until Sakurai tells us what Phantom is, putting the Phantom with a design that is specific to Zelda's own possession(as in possessing it) on her page is the way to go. For now.

I'm sure he'll mention what it does later. Or we'll have to wait for the game to come out.

For all we know, it was an idea that'll be scrapped. He did say movesets were "subject to change"(or something akin to that. I forgot the exact words).

edited 3rd Mar '14 8:05:48 PM by Irene

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#37596: Mar 3rd 2014 at 8:08:11 PM

Wait, so Diddy can't yet be assumed to have anything to do with that banana peel, but it's safe to put the Phantom on Zelda's character sheet already? I don't get that. Shouldn't we just mention the Phantom on the main Smash Bros. page as a reference to Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks?

edited 3rd Mar '14 8:08:57 PM by Enlong

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#37597: Mar 3rd 2014 at 8:08:17 PM

[up]x3 What's funy is that Luigi has dressed up as Peach, and vice-versa, multiple times.

edited 3rd Mar '14 8:08:39 PM by Mukora

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#37598: Mar 3rd 2014 at 8:11:25 PM

Really? I know theres in Mario Adventures, but where else?

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#37599: Mar 3rd 2014 at 8:13:38 PM

Mario And Luigi.

If you haven't played any of those games, do it now.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37600: Mar 3rd 2014 at 8:14:24 PM

That's entirely not what I mean, Enlong.

First, the Banana Peel is both an Item and a Move. We can't confirm what it is due to that alone.

That Phantom has the design of a Zelda-Possessed one. Until a Miiverse post exists, putting it on Zelda's page is logical.

Both require a Miiverse post(or the game comes out or Sakurai actually says it somewhere) to confirm what they are. Phantom may or may not be a Move. That Banana Peel may or may not be Diddy Kong's specific move. They're both vague right now, but putting them on their page makes sense. Even if it isn't Diddy's current Down B(because it might not be it), he's heavily associated it with them due to Brawl, as well as Mario Kart Double Dash where that was his special item(and DK's too). Where else would he put it to show off that a Banana Peel is back? Outside of Miiverse, anyway.

The situations are not exactly the same right now. One could be a Move or Item, and one could be a Move or a Summon. Also, note what I said about the Phantom's design. There's a reason to put it on their pages, but it might not necessarily be because it's their Move.

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