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Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they)
#37501: Mar 3rd 2014 at 10:41:43 AM

[up]There were two retraux games (9 and 10). Which are you referring to?

[down]Well of course it's hard. It's a Mega Man game. (I still can't beat the Yellow Devil in the first game without using the Select glitch.)

edited 3rd Mar '14 10:49:04 AM by Midna

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#37502: Mar 3rd 2014 at 10:43:19 AM

I only played Megaman 9 myself. Never beat it. Wily's Castle was too hard.

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#37503: Mar 3rd 2014 at 10:50:46 AM

[up][up]The first one. I only beat one of the robot masters and couldn't even get through some levels.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#37504: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:00:32 PM

Can we stop making assumptions based upon one screenshot, please?

For all we know they are an Assist rather than a Hazard.

That's the thing, though! It's based upon two screenshots!

The source of the fire in this picture has been unknown for a while, and as such I think the best guess is that Koume is the source of fire- as a stage hazard? I'd say it's likely.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#37505: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:06:33 PM

Where does it actually say that they're a stage hazard?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#37506: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:07:28 PM

There's some small text right next to Ridley.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#37507: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:08:53 PM

What is there to suggest they aren't, considering that playable character is out of the question, and the stuff we went over a few hours ago about assist trophies in the daily picture?

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#37508: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:11:58 PM

At the very least Sakurai's been consistent with new Assist Trophies. There's also how we haven't seen any 3DS assists yet and the comment says they appear in Gerudo Valley.

From all this combined, I'm going to infer they're a stage hazard until something proves otherwise. Occam's Razor and all that.

edited 3rd Mar '14 12:31:13 PM by NesClassic

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#37509: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:22:16 PM

i swear smash bros fans are the most skeptical people on the planet

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37510: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:27:31 PM

The fact he outright said Waluigi's a returning Assist Trophy while not specifying Starfy's role is a problem in itself. Being new or not is just a nitpick. He's only confirmed some Assist Trophys on appearance.

Also, he did not say(even in his Japanese Miiverse post, and while the Google Translate isn't the greatest...) they "only" appeared on this stage. It's only best given as "they can appear on here" with those words and not overreading the implications. "One piece today. The valley of Gerd, Tsuinroba that Kotake and ocular Appears! Absolutely, I'm going to the evil?" Same thing here with the meh translation. Also, the fact it comes up with a question mark is a problem. How do we know they do anything evil in here? He makes it actually sound like they might have caused it. Likewise, due to the lack of only, while they could've caused the fire on that stage(which an Assist Trophy could do as well), they could do that on other stages.

I can't even see any real legitimate implication that they're specific to the stage or even the cause of the fire. Just that we know they can appear on it and nothing more. Taking an extremely vague statement and putting in extra words is ridiculous.

edited 3rd Mar '14 12:30:04 PM by Irene

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Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they)
#37511: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:29:52 PM

Does Kotake shoot ice, then?

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#37512: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:30:55 PM

[up]Yup! Kotake is ice, Koume is fire, and if I know the difference between the two I really need a job.tongue

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37513: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:30:56 PM

That's another interesting point; Why wouldn't she do something? Why only one?

I severely question the whole point of why he made it vague other than the idea he doesn't want us to know the exact details justtttt yet.

[up] An interesting thing is that Koume is actually quite similar to the Mago in Zelda II. Maybe it's a reference to that and why only she could attack? Since there was no Ice Mage in Zelda II... or anything till after OOT. But this is purely a stretch, of course. Won't lie about that.

edited 3rd Mar '14 12:37:39 PM by Irene

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Just a simple hero
#37514: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:35:14 PM

They also didn't specify on the pic of Ashley at Smash Circuit, so really I would just say if the character(s) match the stage, assume stage hazard, and if not, assume AT unless specified.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#37515: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:36:12 PM

[up]He actually did, just it was in the comments rather in the post itself.

But yeah, that seems like a pretty good basis to go by.waii

edited 3rd Mar '14 12:36:41 PM by NesClassic

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37516: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:39:08 PM

Just don't assume it's confirmed, which is the message being sent here. Assume it has a good chance of being the case, which is fine. smile

The thing is, confirmed stuff goes on the trope pages. Speculated stuff goes nowhere but Wild Mass Guessing. If you're assuming it's the case, it's WMG. You can't assume it's confirmed, because confirmations are facts, not opinions.

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#37517: Mar 3rd 2014 at 12:46:12 PM

I can't even see any real legitimate implication that they're specific to the stage or even the cause of the fire.

Well I do. Let's agree to disagree.

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Court Dragon
#37518: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:05:43 PM

That's another interesting point; Why wouldn't she do something? Why only one?

OBJECTION!

I don't see anything to suggest that only one of them is involved. The angle on the picture with the fire is quite constrained. You can only see Link and a few feet of the stage. There could be ice off screen. Koume and Kotake could attack in sequence, rather than simultaneously. Link could be in a section of the stage that gets burned, while another side of the stage is where ice happens. Using that image to say that only one of them will attack is unsustainable.

edited 3rd Mar '14 1:08:05 PM by Enlong

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37519: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:11:57 PM

Read the paragraph after that, Enlong. I made it very clear he's not telling us everything just yet.

Not that he was telling us much in the first place beyond "They can appear on the Gerudo Valley stage and they might be evil(due to the Japanese Miiverse post questioning their alignment instead of the badly translated English version. The question mark is there before the translation, already proving it was questioning it)." But we'll find out what he actually meant later on(by a far better worded Miiverse post, or when the game comes out).

Thankfully I'm looking at the Japanese posts to get better details on it, and in this case, more properly written. The fact that both versions don't match up puts a huge damper on them even being a hazard to anyone as is.

That said, after reading that, I actually am no longer leaning towards them being any kind of hazard(Trophy or Stage) now. Just that "we don't know jackshit beyond them being able to simply appear on that stage in some way". It would be cool to see Kotake firing ice, though, agreed.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#37520: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:16:53 PM

Pretty damn sure they're evil unless you're using the Majora's Mask versions.

Who don't use the fiery/icy versions of the brooms anyway.

Also... he specified the Gerudo Valley stage as being the stage where they can appear, huh?

Anything else I can say on this will be redundant, so believe what you want. I certainly can't stop you.

edited 3rd Mar '14 1:18:23 PM by Enlong

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#37521: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:23:33 PM

So... yeah, old hags are a thing in Smash. Is this worth so many paragraphs?

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#37522: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:24:20 PM

No.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37523: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:31:16 PM

Eh, I read it all with the translation. The first part matches up; They can appear on the stage, and he noted that it's called Gerudo Valley. Don't get me wrong, them being a Stage Hazard is completely possible and I'm not saying it's not. I'm just unsure that's what he meant due to being vague about it.

The second half does not. He doesn't actually, when translated, say; "They're definitely evil." What he's more properly saying is; "They're definitely evil, right?" which is his usual way of speaking, trying to throw people off the trail.

That said, yeah, they're evil in OOT and it's an OOT stage. My main thought is that he might just being saying "Well, yeah, they're evil. We're using that version of them." Unfortunately, he doesn't give a good indication they caused any harm to the stage in any way. I doubt he meant that after looking at the Japanese post, too. "They might just be evil" is the best way to look at it, which, as noted, doesn't indicate they've done any harm whatsoever to anything.

Moving on, The Old Grannies is apparently a German translation of their name, so it was just a fun shout out at best? Which makes sense, then. Albeit, that was from Miiverse pointing it out, so I can't say for sure. The explanation of "grannies" being a joke is quite possible too.

edited 3rd Mar '14 1:32:02 PM by Irene

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#37524: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:35:23 PM

This is getting old and boring. You know what doesn't get old and boring? Ridley Stage talk. So where was it said that no old stages would be returning? If that's the case, does anyone think there may be similar expies of some of the mainstays, like Corneria and Hyrule Temple?

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#37525: Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:36:55 PM

I think we're just overanalyzing. It was all a ruse anyways, they're actually playable

So, does this mean Smash Bros. will have a Grandmapocalypse?

[up]If the Great Fox comes back, I want it to be Sector Z size again. The sizes in Melee and especially Brawl were too small.

edited 3rd Mar '14 1:37:45 PM by NesClassic

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