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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#37276: Feb 28th 2014 at 11:05:30 PM

It's a fighting game with party elements, actually.

Calling it a party game is severely misleading.

Regardless, a 50-size roster is perfectly fine and is very fun to play, as it includes more than enough fan favorites for everyone. The trick is making sure no character is beyond ridiculous in the vein of Meta Knight. Everybody in Melee and even 64 were fine and viable enough. Ganondorf and Meta Knight in Brawl, however, weren't. One was too strong, and one was way too weak.(I realize the irony of this, since Ganondorf's attacks hit far harder than Meta Knight's, but you get what I mean. Ganondorf was horribly designed in Brawl and one of the worst characters, along with Zelda and Link)

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#37277: Feb 28th 2014 at 11:06:16 PM

[up][up]Well that's your opinion, but I don't think that's reflected in sales or critical reception. See here.

edited 28th Feb '14 11:08:44 PM by CassidyTheDevil

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#37278: Mar 1st 2014 at 12:53:57 AM

I think I'm going to put together a bingo board.

Sure Bets: Ness, Meta Knight, Captain Falcon, Wario, Yoshi
Surprised: ROB, Mr Game And Watch, Ice Climbers, Ganondorf, Falco
Probably: Jigglypuff, Ike, Palutena, Pac Man, Snake
Might: Dark Hunter / Metroid Prime, Ridley, Isaac, Mewtwo, Ray
Long Shots: Agumon, Wonder-Red, Shanoa, Isa & Kachi

Alternate long shots: Wreck It Ralph, Shantae, Tails, Simon Belmont, Avatar, Travis Touchdown, Bayonetta

And I didn't even get into King K. Rool, Krystal, Wolf, and others. This series has a lot of reasonably expected characters (which makes me more disappointed to see the Geno/Cloud/anime character crowd)

If Konami had any representative, I'd rather it be Shanoa.

[down]Thanks, I accidentally skipped over Weegee

edited 1st Mar '14 6:16:10 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#37279: Mar 1st 2014 at 5:10:44 AM

[up]Luigi's already been confirmed.

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KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#37280: Mar 1st 2014 at 7:41:51 AM

As far as cuts are confirmed-don't expect Sakurai to be liberal with them.

Are we counting replacements to the newcomer total? I think Sakurai will get around expanding the roster a lot by replacing certain characters

I can't guarantee many things but I can say that is definitely not going to happen. Sakurai has pretty much gone on record saying he won't be cutting characters out of the way. Replacing characters would pretty much be the anthesis of what he said.

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#37281: Mar 1st 2014 at 7:45:48 AM

He also said that he'll try to bring everyone back from the earlier games, but it's likely he have to cut some. Replacements may very well happen.(although only two have happened in the history of Smash anyway, that is, playable characters, being Pichu(who you think replaced him between Pokemon Trainer and Lucario is up to the person) and Young Link(by Toon Link). Nobody else applies for replacements whatsoever)

I wouldn't be surprised if he replaced someone specifically. And not just the Fighting "Whoever" Team.

Shadow?
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#37282: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:06:53 AM

wild mass guessPichu wasn't replaced, he was just flat-out droppedwild mass guess

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#37283: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:11:27 AM

My thoughts remain that 3 characters from Brawl will be dropped (since they didn't drop Lucario): Ike, Wolf, and Snake. Then we'll get 7 newcomers beyond the ones already shown for a total of 9 characters more than Brawl.

edited 1st Mar '14 8:11:52 AM by Ogodei

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#37284: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:32:57 AM

I'd say Ike and Wolf's returns are likely given Lucario's return.

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#37285: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:51:02 AM

Dropping Wolf while keeping Falco would just be a waste.

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#37286: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:52:08 AM

[up][up]Ike returning a given? What similar thing do they share for you to make that conclusion?

[up]Agreed.

edited 1st Mar '14 8:53:25 AM by randomness4

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#37287: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:55:27 AM

[up]Both were supposedly "outdated" by more recent games.

And for the record, Marvel 2 is considered one of the greatest fighting games of all time, but most people will agree that it's still horribly balanced. I'd call it similar to Melee: only a few characters are actually viable, but the viable characters are so fun to watch that people just don't care.

edited 1st Mar '14 8:55:37 AM by Nap1100

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#37288: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:57:30 AM

I'd drop Ike and replace him with Chrom. I mean don't get me wrong, I love Ike but it makes more sense to have the most recent Lord representing Fire Emblem.

I'm sure in Smash 5 or whatever they'll have the most recent guy from the most recent Fire Emblem as their rep too.

Oh really when?
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#37289: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:59:28 AM

And again, Lucario is brought up as a counter-argument.

The only reason Roy was dropped was because apparently there wasn't enough time in development. I doubt that's the case here considering the team is focusing on the multiplayer first this time, so Ike returning actually has a good chance.

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#37290: Mar 1st 2014 at 8:59:39 AM

Ike IS "outdated" by the newer FE games...Lucario WAS "outdated" by the previous Pokemon Generation, he still has some amount of relevancey in the newest Generation games, while Ike has none.

edited 1st Mar '14 9:00:38 AM by randomness4

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#37291: Mar 1st 2014 at 9:02:09 AM

On the contrary, Awakening gets a new playable character who exists for basically no reason except to be a reference to Ike. No other Lord got anything like that.

edited 1st Mar '14 9:02:16 AM by beorc

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#37292: Mar 1st 2014 at 9:03:29 AM

Ike's playable in more games than any main character but Marth. He also has his unique animaion for Aether as part of his moveset.

Also, Roy was a clone of Marth. Ike is not.

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#37293: Mar 1st 2014 at 9:04:31 AM

Ike is also notable for being the only FE main character who isn't royalty.

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#37294: Mar 1st 2014 at 9:06:20 AM

He was a Duke or something for like, a week.

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#37295: Mar 1st 2014 at 9:45:21 AM

Isn't Wolf really popular in Japan, more so than say Krystal? I don't see him or Falco getting kicked out unless their popularity in Japan has gone way downhill.

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#37296: Mar 1st 2014 at 9:54:07 AM

What if they brought back almost everyone from Brawl, brought back Roy and Mewtwo and added some of the other forbidden 7?

edited 1st Mar '14 9:54:27 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#37297: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:57:32 AM

[up] That'd be a pretty sweet roster. I'd be all for it! My only hope would be keeping a Konami rep, but Simon instead of Snake.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#37298: Mar 1st 2014 at 10:59:45 AM

[up] Exactly! Also, I want Pacman, but I'm not holding out on him.

edited 1st Mar '14 10:59:55 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#37299: Mar 1st 2014 at 11:40:50 AM

I don't see Falco being dropped before Wolf. In addition to seniority, he's also very popular a character in Japan.

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#37300: Mar 1st 2014 at 11:50:09 AM

Dropping Wolf?

I can't let you do that.

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