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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#37251: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:10:42 PM

The animations aren't very basic, they also have physics, complicated hitboxes and collision detection, and then there's balancing them out on top of that, which becomes more difficult exponentially as you add more people, not linearly.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#37252: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:12:23 PM

Cassidy: 15 is way too many, when there are already 35 (slots). I'm thinking 10 at the max.

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#37253: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:17:28 PM

I'm expecting about 11 different additions, assuming all of Brawl's 39 character roster comes back.

Shadow?
OdieFromTheOZ KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#37254: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:18:32 PM

Other than Ridley what are the really big ones? I can't name any off the top of my head people really want, which I hope means the rest of the reveals are super weird like WFT.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#37255: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:19:55 PM

K. Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo are the other big ones I can think of.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#37256: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:20:32 PM

I want Snake back

Oh really when?
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#37257: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:20:46 PM

@Wolf: Way too many how? Memory-wise?

If you just mean a roster that size in general, it'd be kind of odd if they stopped adding new characters in later games in the series.

@Irene: 11 is a way overly specific number. XP

edited 28th Feb '14 10:25:42 PM by CassidyTheDevil

OdieFromTheOZ KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#37258: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:20:57 PM

I meant more like newcomers.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#37259: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:22:10 PM

I want Metal Gear Rising era Raiden.

Or Anthony. Only because he'd have the best taunt ever

Oh really when?
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#37260: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:27:55 PM

Cassidy: Unless you're doing a Dream Match Game where the entire point is to include the entire roster, 50 is getting too high for a solid, balanced cast. Once a fighting franchise has more characters than they can reasonably fit in one game, they start cycling through them, rather than including everyone.

Which is why I don't really care if we lose a couple characters. They'll probably be back in a future title.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37261: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:28:35 PM

Odie: Really? Ridley, K. Rool, Medusa/Palutena, Chrom/Robin, Mewtwo, and Isaac seem to come up a lot.

Little Mac and Mega Man were also major picks before their announcement. There are plenty of other characters they could add beyond those too. Those are just the big names.

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#37262: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:30:57 PM

Let's see... 11 newcomers on top of what we have? For me, those would be:

Takamaru, Isaac/Felix/Matthew, Sveta, Robin, Tiki, Ridley, Mewtwo (not a "newcomer", but shhh.), Cranky Kong, Duster, Isa + Kachi, and [F-Zero character].

...darn it, I need a 12th. Medusa.

edited 28th Feb '14 10:31:57 PM by Enlong

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37263: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:33:01 PM

Are we counting replacements to the newcomer total? I think Sakurai will get around expanding the roster a lot by replacing certain characters. For example dropping Ike for Chrom or some other FE character.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#37264: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:36:29 PM

Unless you're doing a Dream Match Game where the entire point is to include the entire roster, 50 is getting too high for a solid, balanced cast. Once a fighting franchise has more characters than they can reasonably fit in one game, they start cycling through them, rather than including everyone.

Crossover games tend to have larger casts than average. Street Fighter X Tekken, for example, has 55 playable characters, and Marvel vs. Capcom 2 has 56.

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#37265: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:37:43 PM

And what fraction of them were considered viable choices?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#37266: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:38:07 PM

Maybe a quarter of them

Oh really when?
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#37267: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:43:41 PM

The community for SFXT is dead because the balance is so bad (that's not an exaggeration; a crossover of the two biggest fighters in the world and it's not even included at EVO), and I'm given to understand that MVC2's meta game is composed of maybe six or seven characters. They're not exactly paragons of balance.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37268: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:43:49 PM

Nintendo has a lot of different franchises to draw from though. There are still about ten that have no representation whatsoever. They're not in danger of running out of characters that are viable anytime soon.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#37269: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:46:19 PM

Fire Emblem is big enough to have 3 characters, so Ike has a decent shot at returning.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#37270: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:47:02 PM

@Wolf: Umm, who cares? Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 is one of the greatest fighting games of all time.

I honestly couldn't care less about tiers either, and it's not really what Smash is about, anyway.

edited 28th Feb '14 10:47:21 PM by CassidyTheDevil

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#37271: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:48:17 PM

Cassidy, no need to be so brusque about things.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#37272: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:49:28 PM

Ike could return. I just use him as an example because I question whether Sakurai is going to expand beyond two FE characters and so far there's a pattern or replacing the secondary Lord with the most recent. I'd still prefer Micaiah though.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#37273: Feb 28th 2014 at 10:51:35 PM

My point is that you pass a point where there's any reason to keep piling on characters.

I'm all for big rosters, believe me. I like a nice healthy amount of choices. But 50 is pushing it. I think around 40 is the sweet spot. You could maybe get away with 45, but you're pushing it at that point.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#37274: Feb 28th 2014 at 11:00:01 PM

Even if competitive play is a little unbalanced, it's not really relevant to a party game which wasn't designed for that.

Regardless, many great games have rosters larger than that, going by popularity.

edited 28th Feb '14 11:00:45 PM by CassidyTheDevil

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#37275: Feb 28th 2014 at 11:01:44 PM

Every game is designed for balance. And yes, there's a difference between balance in the competitive community and balance to the rest of us. But you can't push the boundaries so far that all but a handful of characters simply get ignored. That's not good for anybody. It's not fun to play, and it's a waste of money.


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