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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#36776: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:26:56 PM

All joking aside Ridley really is pretty damn big.

A Smash version of Ridley would have to be scaled down quite a ways and nerfed a fair bit from his Metroid version

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:27:19 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
#36778: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:28:24 PM

Ridley's Wings are only that tiny in the 2D sidescrollers and even then only in his boss sprites. The developers were too scared of his wings causing collision damage.

In 3D games (Prime, Prime 3), games with less collision damage (Brawl) or instances outside of gameplay (Official art, Zero Mission cutscenes) they tend to be larger.

But honestly I don't get the huge demand for Ridley (Though Dedede beat him out in Brawl votes I doubt Nintendo's made enough to fill in that gap for 4, which is not taking them anyway). I could see some appeal in a largish somewhat bipedal dragon flying with a stinger tail and fire breath if Charizard was not already on the roster. Charizard functionally has everything Ridley would potentially bring, unless you want Meta/Omega/Ice Ridley or Iron Ted.

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OdieFromTheOZ KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
KING OF EXPLODO KILLS
#36779: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:29:16 PM

I feel like every Smash thread is just a cycle of Ridley being too big, Fire Emblem reps, and Little Mac, and roster cuts in between character confirmations. And now that Little Mac has been confirmed we don't even talk about that much.

[up]It's mostly because he is the second most prominent character in the Metroid franchise and people think one rep is too little. Personally I'd like Rundas to make it in. I liked him.

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:31:21 PM by OdieFromTheOZ

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36780: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:31:00 PM

[up][up]Metroid is a big franchise and Ridley is basically the main villain. Why shouldn't he get in? It's like not having Ganondorf. Heck, at least Ridley won't be a clone like he is.

Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
#36781: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:31:23 PM

Okay, so Dynal yay or nay?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36782: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:32:55 PM

How would a character from that work?

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#36783: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:36:44 PM

If Ridley in that picture is scaled with Samus he'd take up half of Battlefield. That's far too big.

Characters can all stand in the same spot, so I don't see the problem.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36784: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:39:46 PM

He'll obscure everything on screen and his hitbox and reach will be absurdly large. Take this picture and imagine something three times Bowser's size standing next to Mario. Even hunched over his head would probably scrape the top platform. Now keep in mind that there can be four on screen at once. That doesn't seem ridiculous to you?

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:40:05 PM by Kostya

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#36785: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:41:35 PM

Ridley would ideally be about Bowser's overall size, but a smidge taller and a smidge less wide. His wings and tail would presumably not have defending hitboxes to keep things even.

I sure said that!
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#36786: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:42:46 PM

So, so far the one series who people debate about representation the most, and has the most commonly discussed possible reps, is Metroid.

Huh.

Let's see, a list of representatives from the series that have been discussed: Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux, Rundas, Ghor, and basically every other character ever to appear in a metroid game.

I am in favor of Ridley and Dark Samus, mostly. Preferably Prime 3 Dark Samus, where she was FAR more dangerous, as opposed to Prime 2 where she just sort of killed a bunch of space pirates then got shot a lot.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#36787: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:43:02 PM

He'll obscure everything on screen and his hitbox and reach will be absurdly large.

That could just be a unique feature of his, like the Ice Climbers being a duo.

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#36788: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:43:23 PM

[up][up][up]Which is why Ridley is going to have to be scaled down. Not all the way though, just to about the height shown in his Melee cameo (maybe a bit taller).

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:43:44 PM by Midna

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36789: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:44:30 PM

This is probably the best height he could have. Slightly taller than Bowser and two heads taller than Samus. It makes him look big and imposing compared to everyone else while not being so large he takes up too much room or can hit them from halfway across the stage.

[up][up]So he's giant, powerful, and can hit people halfway across the stage. It just sounds far too broken and impractical when there are supposed to be four characters, stage hazards, and items all over the place. How would he even fit in smaller areas without his head clipping through walls or something?

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:46:59 PM by Kostya

Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they)
#36790: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:48:59 PM

[up]That's just about perfect. Big without being too big.

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OdieFromTheOZ KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
KING OF EXPLODO KILLS
#36791: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:51:33 PM

I still think Dark Samus would be a poor rep. she just screams clone, and even if she has a unique moveset she's so visually similar to Samus it doesn't properly represent the wide rich world of Metroid.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36792: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:53:18 PM

There's also the fact that while it is an important antagonist Ridley is still the archenemy of Samus. Vaati might have opposed Link for multiple games but you wouldn't choose him over Ganondorf.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#36793: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:53:43 PM

Bowser's pretty short in Smash though. I think Rosalina is taller.

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:56:07 PM by CassidyTheDevil

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#36794: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:57:40 PM

That's because if he was too big it might throw off the balance of the game. Having Ridley be huge works when he's just a boss character but if you're controlling him and fighting in confined spaces against other much smaller characters his size throws off the entire balance of the game. Either he'd hit way too hard and be nigh impossible to KO due to his size or he's far too weak and/or light.

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:58:14 PM by Kostya

OdieFromTheOZ KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
KING OF EXPLODO KILLS
#36795: Feb 23rd 2014 at 2:58:34 PM

[up][up]"Short" is a little strong. Nearly all the human reps are taller than him, save Mac and the Mario bros, but the majority of the cast is shorter than him.

More importantly, Bowser is compact. He's got girth but it's all pulled in so he doesn't take as much space. Ridley is far more lanky so he would naturally take a bit more liberties to work.

edited 23rd Feb '14 2:58:48 PM by OdieFromTheOZ

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#36796: Feb 23rd 2014 at 3:05:03 PM

You have to remember, Bowser, Peach, and the Mario Bros are all very powerful in-universe. They're one of the few chosen Star Kids who have extraordinary powers.

The same is true of most of Smash's characters.

But Villager had no powers in his games.

edited 23rd Feb '14 3:09:25 PM by CassidyTheDevil

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#36797: Feb 23rd 2014 at 3:23:18 PM

[up]I'm not sure Yoshis Island DS was canon.

Alternatively, I'm not sure Mario RPG was canon.

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Urara-lala~!
#36798: Feb 23rd 2014 at 3:24:13 PM

im not sure what point youre trying to prove anymore, cass

beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#36799: Feb 23rd 2014 at 3:30:15 PM

[up][up]You say that as if Mario has a canon.

In fact I'm pretty sure there is no concept of time in the Mario universe. Except for how much time you have to complete a level.

edited 23rd Feb '14 3:31:58 PM by beorc

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#36800: Feb 23rd 2014 at 3:33:05 PM

There's a canon to Mario, it's just that said canon is more of a suggestion than a rule.

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