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#36301: Feb 19th 2014 at 8:46:29 AM

I think Nintendo doesn't even remember Hamtaro anyway. It's already a divine luck that they added the pertaining games in the Chronicles section of Brawl.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#36302: Feb 19th 2014 at 8:50:38 AM

No, Sakurai said "No Manga/Anime characters" and they "had to have a video game appearance".

It was vague, but he clearly did mean characters who were from a Manga/Anime, which probably meant originating it one, since that's the only way to really decent define them as one, their origins.

Mario has had Anime appearances, same with Sonic. Sonic got in, after all. I really think he meant origins.

But we'll never know, so eh.

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#36303: Feb 19th 2014 at 8:54:21 AM

It should be noted that Japan refers to all animation as anime, not just theirs - so unless the criteria's changed from Brawl, we aren't getting Kevin Keane.

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#36304: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:03:04 AM

He said "Manga and Anime", so he probably actually meant their specific animation type.

The Manga part is what's notable to me. That said, who knows.

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#36305: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:03:10 AM

[up][up]But Kevin Keane isn't an animated character.

He isn't even a character. O_o

EDIT: Or am I missing the point?

edited 19th Feb '14 9:04:05 AM by MyFinalEdits

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#36306: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:09:20 AM

I think you vastly overestimate how vague it is, Irene.

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#36307: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:11:21 AM

^^^Japanese also refer all comics as manga <_< Since manga means comic :P

Its seriously kinda bizarre how Japanese animation is referred as "animation" but in Japanese( and same with Japanese comics) when you think about it.

edited 19th Feb '14 9:12:07 AM by SpookyMask

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#36308: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:22:46 AM

[up]It's a recursive loanword. I'm sure "anime" and "manga" aren't the only ones.

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#36309: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:25:09 AM

I think this is blatant overthinking. With that he meant video game originated characters with games on Nintendo consoles. I don't see that criteria as something not reasonable or something that requires throrough analisis.

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#36310: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:26:41 AM

I don't think we're likely to get more than three or four third-parties per game, anyway. Assuming Snake comes back the final roster could easily just be Sonic, Mega Man and Snake.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#36311: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:34:03 AM

He did not say "originate in a video game" and the official translation said "anime and manga". He might have meant animation and manga/comic, however. Might being the key term.

Live action movies/television still fit his criteria as okay due to his wording regardless. Also, toys are fine, since he had no qualms about putting a toy originating character in Smash more than once. R.O.B. and even moreso, Mr. Game & Watch. Especially since some don't counts the Game & Watches as video games, as they are actually called Electronic Toys.

So the only legitimate things I can gather properly is "Anime and Manga" or "Animation and Manga/Comic". Anything else? Nope. Rest fall fine under that criteria. Not very vague at all once it got translated, either.

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#36312: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:36:34 AM

R.O.B., while technically a piece of hardware, is written into the story blurbs for Gyromite and Stack-Up as a proper character in his own right, and LCD games would absolutely count as video games in my book.

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#36313: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:40:48 AM

Yay! Semantics!

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#36314: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:41:17 AM

I've created a monster.:/

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#36315: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:51:25 AM

Arguing over semantics, the favorite pastime of this thread~

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#36316: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:53:06 AM

[up][up][up]My favorite kind of page-eating discussions!

edited 19th Feb '14 9:53:43 AM by Elbruno

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#36317: Feb 19th 2014 at 9:55:12 AM

Yeah, I don't get why Electronic Toys aren't always considered Video Games either. But eh, we've seen it even here, so that's a matter of Toy =/= Video Game, respectively so.

Anyway, I'm looking for the wording, but I'm damn sure it was "Anime and Manga", possibly even saying originating. Either way, it clearly does not apply to every media beyond Video Games so we can obviously ignore things like some movies or live action shows and even toys as "barred" no matter what.

I really wish he did just actually say "originated in a video game", but either he didn't mean that(this could be because he considered R.O.B. and Game & Watch toys first?) or he was annoyingly vague(like usual). I'm going to go with "video game origin was not a legitimate criteria, but they clearly need to be in a Nintendo video game to be playable" though, which was an officially stated criteria.

Recently somebody pointed out to me somewhere that the "originating in a video game" was never legitimately said and was a misinterpreted from his actual words. I really don't know how you can get that far unless you actually ignore any media that isn't a Video Game, Animation, or Book, but... here we are.

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#36318: Feb 19th 2014 at 10:07:42 AM

<MOD HAT ON>

This is the last time I'm going to ask. Lose the passive-agressive sarcastic derails.

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#36319: Feb 19th 2014 at 10:17:57 AM

Wait, whose being passive-agressive? Who is being sarcastic?

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#36320: Feb 19th 2014 at 10:26:00 AM

Yelling out "Yay! [Subject]" is being very sarcastic. It's okay to not like a subject, but it's not okay to be sarcastic about it and make a pointless derail just to attack the fact that people are discussing something you don't like. It's also a passive-aggressive way to say "I don't want to talk about it". If you don't want to talk about it, it's equally as easy to, without any form of aggression, passive or otherwise, talk about something else.

There is never a reason to comment on the Discussion itself except to contribute to the subject itself. Without any aggression. While being on-topic. Semantics are clearly not the topic and never were. We're trying to civilly figure out exactly what was actually said.

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#36321: Feb 19th 2014 at 10:29:13 AM

Gordondarf confirmed for Super Smash Brothers 4!

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#36322: Feb 19th 2014 at 11:00:38 AM

Remember how they said that fighters weren't modeled to scale?

Hehe...well what if they were...

Imagine: six-footish-tall Samus fighting against 2-cm-tall Olimar and his Pikmin. Even if he was allowed a thousand of them he probably still couldn't beat her.

Then imagine 1-foot-tall R.O.B. against maybe five-and-a-half-foot tall Zelda.

And then imagine however-tall-he-is Mario against however-tall-he-feels-like-it Bowser.

...Actually, sometimes Bowser is already Giga Bowser size. He'd be pretty high tier then.

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#36323: Feb 19th 2014 at 11:56:26 AM

@36284: Would that happen to be Prime Hunters, out of curiosity? Or Other M? (It's probably Other M, but even then that name does a good job of... hrrm... tying into the motherly-ness, I guess?)

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#36324: Feb 19th 2014 at 12:49:13 PM

Other M is what I meant.

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#36325: Feb 19th 2014 at 12:55:33 PM

How is Other M non-indicative? It could be read as referring to Mother Brain who's the central antagonist.


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