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#35126: Feb 3rd 2014 at 10:15:58 AM

Though it could also be some attempt to pump up Lucario's popularity as well. X and Y gives you one for free and is probobly the first Mega Evolution players get to expirience, unless they got the event Torchik.

Nope. You can't use the Mega Evolutions until Korrina gives you the Mega Ring, which occurs just after the Mega Lucaruo vs Mega Lucario battle.

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#35127: Feb 3rd 2014 at 10:19:00 AM

[up][up]Still blows my mind that one guy on GameFAQs predicted it so many years ago.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#35128: Feb 3rd 2014 at 11:09:19 AM

I'll be probably be getting both versions. They'll offer different things that I'll like in different circumstances.

I've noticed that Lucario, Mewtwo, and Charizard all seem to be the most important Pokemon after Pikachu lately. They're popular, heavily promoted, have Mega evolutions, and are playable in Smash. I still say Lucario is a better choice than Mewtwo, though getting both is of course ideal.

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#35129: Feb 3rd 2014 at 11:11:52 AM

The fifth one is easily Blaziken. Jigglypuff is always somewhere in the random relevant area, but only because of Smash usually. I wish the Pokemon would reappear in the Anime, though. Or even a movie. Probably a different Jigglypuff, but eh.

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#35130: Feb 3rd 2014 at 11:18:14 AM

How is the fifth Blaziken? Mewtwo seems more likely to be honest. If Blaziken gets in I'm expecting it to be as one of Hoenn Trainer's Pokemon.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#35131: Feb 3rd 2014 at 11:57:31 AM

Who gets promoted more than Blaziken after Charizard, Mewtwo, Lucario, and Pikachu? No one.

All 5 of those are always available without events in most games, making them easy to play as, so the promotions only further make them popular.

I like Jigglypuff but even I admit she gets little promotion as is.

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#35132: Feb 3rd 2014 at 12:02:07 PM

I didn't know Blaziken got promoted that much. Off the top of my head I think Piplup was promoted more, at least.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#35133: Feb 3rd 2014 at 12:05:40 PM

I stand corrected, then. Apologies.

However, Blaziken does seem to show more importance to a degree. Being the only third gen starter to get a Mega Evolution is a huge thing, imo. Piplup had a slew bit more releases than Blaziken/Torchic, but not much, notably. I think most of Piplup's stuff was solely due to popularity power in Japan. Blaziken seems to go off better in more than just one Region for the Anime.

I don't know, I might be wrong. But Blaziken is up there undoubtedly.

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Kurgy Since: Feb, 2013
#35134: Feb 3rd 2014 at 12:42:16 PM

Blaziken is indeed a popular choice. Having a Mega Evolution is a sign of popularity IMO. And the damn cock gets it as an event! And to top it off, it's the first mega evolution seen in the anime, though cloacked in shadow.

Though the popularity wars often boil down to Nostalgia Filter half the time.

edited 3rd Feb '14 12:44:20 PM by Kurgy

KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#35135: Feb 3rd 2014 at 12:53:22 PM

You're basing your negativity on your own speculation. That's a bad start.

No, I'm basing my negativity on the fact that the whole "Waah, there are too many veterans in this game, it's obviously Brawl.2" isn't remotely legit nor understandable. And whilst what I speculated is certainly not the only way in which things can happen, at least I don't jump to silly conclusions based on absolutely nothing. We are constantly getting characters that were in Brawl revealed? How dare they!

I wish the Pokemon would reappear in the Anime, though. Or even a movie.

Agreed.

edited 3rd Feb '14 12:54:34 PM by KSoniK

Kurgy Since: Feb, 2013
#35136: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:01:30 PM

I don't get why Jigglypuff get shoved into Smash Bros every time. Pikachu I get, but not Miss Balloonmon.

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#35137: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:04:00 PM

Grandfather Clause. It was in the first game.

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#35138: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:07:02 PM

In the first game, she was made a semi-clone of Kirby, sharing a good amount of A moves and a throw. Mewtwo was far harder for them to implement in 64, but was planned. In Melee, Mewtwo was finally realized as is without issues. But Jigglypuff still stayed.

Come Brawl, well, there's Jigglypuff because she was in the first game. She didn't play like Kirby(beyond their jumps and maybe an A move or a really small amount in total), but was already a major veteran by that point. She was most popular character in the Anime after Pikachu which is why she got into 64 in the first place. It's possible that popularity never fully left? Mewtwo was the most done out of the Forbidden 7 as well, so she could be entirely high priority for as said, Grandfather Clause.

edited 3rd Feb '14 1:09:59 PM by Irene

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#35139: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:09:30 PM

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edited 3rd Feb '14 1:09:39 PM by KSoniK

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#35140: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:09:46 PM

Lucario instead of Mewtwo might have been just laziness on Nintendo's part

I don't get it. How is adding Lucario more lazy than adding Mewtwo? It's not like they'd have to make Mewtwo's moveset from scratch, and it's not like they had an HD model of Lucario ready to use.

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#35141: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:13:10 PM

(x5)[up]Unless it's been debunked, I always figured the devs just went after "iconic" figures from the franchise. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, and Lucario fit the bill.

edited 3rd Feb '14 1:13:41 PM by FOFD

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#35142: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:16:07 PM

To be fair, all of those save Pikachu were heavily iconic due to the Movies and Anime. Lucario got a lot more due to game promotions, where Mewtwo was more movie-based. Pikachu is everywhere(Manga is notable for him too), but Jigglypuff was straight from the Anime.

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paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#35143: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:17:26 PM

If getting a Mega Evolution is a sign of popularity, how did Abomasnow get one?

I was tossing ideas for what gen 6 Pokemon I'd like to see as a character, and I came upon Espurr and discovered it was based on a Scottish Fold, which is the type of cat (I think) Sakurai has.

So I want Espurr because its the closest we'll ever get to playing as Sakurais Cat tongue

Kurgy Since: Feb, 2013
#35144: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:21:40 PM

About the lazyness part, it's just an assumption that porting over and polishing a character from a Wii game is probobly easier than from a Gamecube one? I dunno.

That and Mewtwo never had a Final Smash, while Lucario has one. So they didn't have to work on giving Mewtwo one.

I dunno how much work it is to remake a character or to create Final Smashes from scratch, but those were my initial thoughts on "why Lucario and not Mewtwo."

[up]Hey, I never thought anyone liked Mawile, and then we get a Mega Mawile. And yes, Espurr for Smash Bros, please!

Espurr is superior to Goomy anyway.

edited 3rd Feb '14 1:23:28 PM by Kurgy

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#35145: Feb 3rd 2014 at 1:25:11 PM

I agree Lucario coming back first probably did make more sense anyway. He was plot relevant to the X/Y games, after all. That, and as said, less to port. Mewtwo could possibly be heavily overhauled from Melee, so he'd take longer. Jigglypuff is, for some people, a "duh", so showing her off early is unnecessary and doesn't generate hype. Since that Ice Climbers statement(which seems moot now that Rosalina & Luma came up to bat), a lot have thought Pokemon Trainer would not come back, not that they shouldn't, of course(also, that's 3 characters to make playable at once, so...). I think Lucario was the easiest choice to make here for who to show off Pokemon-wise first for various reasons.

Purely a theory, of course.

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#35146: Feb 3rd 2014 at 2:26:54 PM

I have to say, I agree that Blaziken is getting the push lately, at least here in Gen. 6. Just saying.

If they did bring Pokemon Trainer back, anybody want to speculate on what guys he'd have? Personally I think Chespin, Braixen, and Greninja, but that's just me...

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35147: Feb 3rd 2014 at 2:30:12 PM

I'd go with a Gen 3 trainer actually. The Hoenn remake is probably already in the works. In that case I'd go with Mudkip, Grovyle, and Blaziken.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#35148: Feb 3rd 2014 at 2:35:41 PM

Froakie, Grovyle, and Charizard. Get some gen 3 and 6 representation in there, and then Charizard because Charizard.

On a more serious note, who knows. Trainer is really flexible.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#35149: Feb 3rd 2014 at 2:41:38 PM

I have a feeling they'll stick to repping a specific gen.

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#35150: Feb 3rd 2014 at 2:46:02 PM

I'd like to see Totodile, Grovyle, and Charizard. It helps all were notable enough members of Ash's actual team, so it could justify sticking with the Red design. I wouldn't mind a May design, though.

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