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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34927: Jan 31st 2014 at 1:59:32 PM

[up] Hyper Beam? Self Destruct?

edited 31st Jan '14 1:59:49 PM by Irene

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#34928: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:04:19 PM

Eevee using Self Destruct would be amazing.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#34929: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:05:47 PM

I kinda doubt those would be normal moves the same way things like Thunderbolt and Confusion would be, for instance.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34930: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:16:39 PM

Well, there's a lot of Hyper Beam like moves. Solar Beam, Hydro Pump(Water Gun as well), Ice Beam, Flamethrower(Searing Shot), Zap Cannon, and I might've missed. I don't know if Dark or Psychic has a beam move, though...

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#34931: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:18:34 PM

I meant for Eevee to use as normal moves. Hyper Beam would be Final Smash territory, let's be honest. What I'm saying is that it's hard to have an idea for that kind of Eevee work because all the evolutions are so different in terms of move list from each other.

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#34932: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:24:18 PM

Isn't Mewtwo's Project M Final Smash Hyper Beam? Or something that looks like it, anyway?

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#34934: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:27:14 PM

It's Aura Storm Psystrike.

I'm sure there's a true to the series way to include the whole Eevee family. It might entail Eevee "summoning" the others for different moves, though. Namely Specials, Tilts and Smashes.

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#34935: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:44:56 PM

[up][up] That makes sense.

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#34936: Jan 31st 2014 at 2:55:51 PM

Except Flareon, who doesn't learn any. Zing!

Flareon finally got Flare Blitz as of XY, so that's no longer quite so valid.

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#34937: Jan 31st 2014 at 3:04:47 PM

Unfortunately, memes don't care about facts. If anything, they love to twist 'em. "Hands off my bread!" is a great example of that.

That said, it would be neat if all of them could perform a combo attack too. I mean, if it's a group character costume-wise.

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#34938: Jan 31st 2014 at 3:07:55 PM

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#34939: Jan 31st 2014 at 5:26:56 PM

Popping in to say that I prefer theory that legendaries simply don't have their gender known instead of being genderless

I really think that depends on the legendary. Like, say, with Giratina being genderless makes perfect sense. Or Regigigas.

Also, many RL animals are hermaphrodites.

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#34940: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:19:18 PM

Ah, what would Eevee's moves be, if they had to be redesigned for each Eeveelution?

Well, fortunately, Smash Bros doesn't require us to stick strictly with how the moves act in the game or what the 'mon actually learns. Otherwise, Jigglypuff's Rest would just reduce your percentage and Pikachu wouldn't get Skull Bash at all.

I think it'd be instructive, first and foremost, to define the general types of attack that each special would be. In general, I'd expect a long-range projectile for neutral B, a powerful short-range burst for side B, a semi-defensive move for down B, and a rescue/upwards propulsion up B. Again, assuming a move common to them all for the Final Smash, which is why I picked Trump Card, though Last Resort also would work. Fairly standard idea overall; we would just need to come up with the animations for each one and pick the move type.

  • Neutral B: Long projectile
    • Eevee: Swift
    • Vaporeon: Water Pulse
    • Jolteon: Thunderbolt/Shock Wave
    • Flareon: Lava Plume
    • Espeon: Psybeam
    • Umbreon: Dark Pulse
    • Leafeon: Energy Ball
    • Glaceon: Ice Beam
    • Sylveon: Moonblast

  • Side B: Close burst (perhaps a meteor move or other fun knockback property)
    • Eevee: Take Down (though not damaging itself - moves don't have to have the same properties as they do in Pokémon)
    • Vaporeon: Scald/Muddy Water
    • Jolteon: Thunder Fang
    • Flareon: Fire Fang
    • Espeon: Psycho Cut
    • Umbreon: Night Slash
    • Leafeon: Leaf Blade
    • Glaceon: Ice Fang
    • Sylveon: Play Rough

  • Down B: Semi-defensive - I like the idea of pushing foes back and nullifying all projectiles for these.
    • Eevee: Sand Attack
    • Vaporeon: Acid Armor
    • Jolteon: Pin Missile (imagine it just fluffing out its fur)
    • Flareon: Fire Spin
    • Espeon: Psych Up
    • Umbreon: Mean Look/Screech
    • Leafeon: Grass Whistle/Sweet Scent (kind of reaching, yes)
    • Glaceon: Mist/Mirror Coat
    • Sylveon: Light Screen

  • Up B: Rescue move
    • Eevee: Double Edge (It does involve risky flings according to its description)/Baton Pass
    • Vaporeon: Dive ("dives" where it was and "re-emerges" some distance above)
    • Jolteon: Volt Switch
    • Flareon: Flare Blitz
    • Espeon: Telekinesis
    • Umbreon: Feint Attack
    • Leafeon: Magical Leaf
    • Glaceon: Ice Shard
    • Sylveon: Fairy Wind

You really would just need four basic animations (a blast from the mouth, a quick forward motion, a steadfast stance with something "puffing" out, and a teleport-style move with a sudden attack at the end) to pull it off, with the after-effects (like a bit of flame or bursts of light/darkness) as appropriate for each attack. As for throws... I had wondered what any of them would use for throws, but I remembered that they all learn Tail Whip - they use their tails to grab people and then either kick for the held attack or whirl them around for throws.

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#34941: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:25:58 PM

THIS.

Also, to settle your splits: Thunderbolt, Scald, and instead of Grass Whistle, try Razor Leaf. Growl instead of Sand Attack for Eevee's Down B, and make the Tilts variants of Sand Attack, and the Smashes variants of Quick Attack. I'd aim to get as close to the paralleled Eeveelution moves as possible.

For Up+B, maybe the animation should be a short downwards/near area attack, followed by a large rebound upwards?

edited 31st Jan '14 7:43:34 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#34942: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:34:56 PM

I'd use Leaf Tornado instead of Grasswhistle. Though I don't remember if Leafeon learns that, probably not.

edited 31st Jan '14 7:35:15 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#34944: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:46:32 PM

It doesn't matter if any of them can learn the moves in question (though most of them can... but you'll notice Psycho Cut, Night Slash, and Play Rough on my list but not in the game lists). But like I pointed out before, that doesn't matter. Pikachu can't learn Skull Bash in its original game, but nobody is suggesting we take it out of Smash.

So with that said, yes, Leaf Tornado (or perhaps Petal Dance) would be better for a Leafeon's Down B move than what I had previously suggested.

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#34945: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:47:06 PM

Pikachu doesn't learn Skull Bash.

Mewtwo doesn't learn Teleport.

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#34946: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:48:59 PM

Jigglypuff doesn't learn Fly.

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#34947: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:52:58 PM

Pikachu did learn Skull Bash in one of the original games. It's an artifact.

Mewtwo has no explanation though.

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#34948: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:56:49 PM

Mewtwo can learn Teleport via TM in Gen 1, actually.

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#34949: Jan 31st 2014 at 8:00:54 PM

Technically, yes, Skull Bash and Teleport were TM moves that could be given to Pikachu and Mewtwo, respectively, in Generation I. Super Smash Bros Melee came out in late 2001, so we were already in the second generation by then, and outside of importing, neither was a realistic move choice. Certainly, nobody is using a Skull Bash Pikachu now that we're in the sixth generation; yet everyone knows that it'll still be on Pikachu's list.

Our point is, it's not as important if the move perfectly matches the source game. Just as long as it'd be fun to play. And I'm not going to claim my outline on how to treat the Eeveelutions in Smash is perfect, but I think it'd be a good starting point.

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#34950: Jan 31st 2014 at 8:03:00 PM

I like that outline, actually.

Just pointing out that Mewtwo does have an explanation.

Either way, if they can learn it one game(or gen), or another material, or would easily make sense with the move, just let them have it. Why not make life easier by not being "perfect".

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