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#34676: Jan 30th 2014 at 5:36:51 AM

Competitive Balance: Pit's arrows require less charging time, can be shot upwards and can be curved. Link's arrows are more risky in that regard so they are made more powerful to compensate (why don't people get that?)

edited 30th Jan '14 7:15:52 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#34677: Jan 30th 2014 at 5:43:16 AM

Isn't Link's bow also sacred? And physical matter will probably last longer than energy when the two impact.

But Pit's quiver is bottomless, and he fires fast.

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#34678: Jan 30th 2014 at 6:06:40 AM

[up][up][up][up] Would you rather it be Alfonzo instead?

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#34679: Jan 30th 2014 at 6:41:21 AM

Wait, would Palutena deliberately hold back on what she gives Pit? What, do you think she'd troll that hard?

*Replays Kid Icarus: Uprising*

Never mind, it's a wonder Pit's even capable of being in that fight at all. Though considering that he's using Palutena's Bow, it shows that the Smash version of Pit is a pretty adept fighter overall (stupid ridiculous unlock conditions).

Slightly related, it does have me wondering if the different palettes of Pit will all use the same bow. Granted, having Dark Pit/Pittoo use the Silver Bow would just be a palette swap, but it'd be neat if other palettes actually used different bows (I'd probably favor the Aurum Bow, because I liked that look).

Curious... does anyone remember just how much of Brawl's roster was revealed before Brawl was officially released? I'm wondering how what we have now compares to then.

edited 30th Jan '14 6:41:55 AM by 32_Footsteps

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34680: Jan 30th 2014 at 7:22:21 AM

I know they showed the roster all off before being released in America and the UK.

And I don't believe most of the Bows are sacred in Zelda. At least outside of the Bow of Light in Minish Cap, but that was a Toon-based Link using it, so...

Maybe it's Goddess-blessed or Triforce-powered now?

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#34681: Jan 30th 2014 at 7:38:31 AM

Well, if you want to be precise, they do define that Pit's weapons in Uprising for the most part aren't actually divinely powered; at least, not by Palutena herself. Pit focuses his own energy into the weapon, and the weapon itself determines several factors - including shot cancellation. Palutena's Bow is average at that - capable of nullifying oncoming shots, but usually at expense of the arrow being nullified as well. Due to it having better shots on the run, it's actually recommended when using it to dodge around and play hit-and-run instead of trying to match shot-for-shot.

In short, I'd expect that Link could, at the very least, equal Pit shot-for-shot in a face-off in archery if the latter uses Palutena's Bow (and I'd bet that Link would prevail with a charged shot). Now, if Pit could swap out for a club or certain blades, I'd pick him to prevail due to superior shot cancellation.

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#34682: Jan 30th 2014 at 7:43:55 AM

I just consider everyone on equal level by default first due to the non-canon nature of the series.

Still neat, though, once you get a tier list going that helps determine their entire power level. On the other hand, Ganondorf is Brawl still is immensely powerful, he just is so slow that most characters can avoid him. Also, you know, beat him, despite not being Link/Toon Link with the Master Sword or having Light Arrows(Pit's don't count, Zelda/Sheik's do). Etc.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#34683: Jan 30th 2014 at 7:52:31 AM

I'd like to point out that technically Mewtwo is villainous character in games even though he doesn't do anything in them :P I mean, game wise hes random uber violent monster that exists for fighting instead of having any noble goals or intelligence.(not that game mewtwo isn't intelligent in same way as all pokemon, I mean hes clearly more beast like at least pokedex description and original blue/red/green sprite wise.)

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#34684: Jan 30th 2014 at 8:01:03 AM

All this Palutena rumor-mongering has got me hankering to replay KIU now...

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#34685: Jan 30th 2014 at 8:04:46 AM

They revealed all the non-unlockable characters before Brawl's Japanese release.

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#34686: Jan 30th 2014 at 8:09:43 AM

Well, almost all. Snake aside.

Yeah, I would rather they didn't reveal everything before every Country got it. It's pretty neat to find out that on our own.

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#34687: Jan 30th 2014 at 8:15:49 AM

@34682 Well, yes, there is always that. Push comes to shove, canon does get aside in exchange for what would make for a more fun game. Plus, beyond that, there are the suggestions that the fighters aren't actually the original characters, but they're instead animated trophies representing those characters, which would mean that they're inherently different from their canon sources.

That said, Uprising makes it clear that, even in canon, it wold be reasonable for someone like Link to be able to cancel Pit's shots with the Palutena Bow. I'm just saying that it makes sense regardless of how much you pay attention to Uprising canon.

@34683 Um... Mewtwo isn't villainous in any Pokémon games at all. The only destruction he causes in any of his canon appearances in the main games was trying to escape captivity - witness how, in Pokémon X and Y, he merely runs to a quiet place where nobody will attack him. He was really more of a force of nature. Giovanni, Cyrus, or Ghetsis would have to be your choices if you wanted an actual villain from the franchise.

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#34688: Jan 30th 2014 at 8:19:08 AM

Yeah, it was all movie stuff. And only through most of the first movie.

He did get a few moves from the games, but he was overall based upon his movie appearance, with the clearly dark and evil style in-game. The evil laughter is a pretty big tip off too that he's a villain in Melee.

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#34689: Jan 30th 2014 at 8:33:38 AM

[up][up]Are you sure that wasn't the female Mewtwo from the last movie?

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#34690: Jan 30th 2014 at 8:46:54 AM

A vicious psychic Pokémon created by genetic engineering. Its cold, glowing eyes strike fear into its enemy.

Because its battle abilities were raised to the ultimate level, it thinks only of defeating its foes.

Mewtwo is a Pokémon that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans created this Pokémon's body, they failed to endow Mewtwo with a compassionate heart.

A Pokémon whose genetic code was repeatedly recombined for research. It turned vicious as a result.

A Pokémon created by recombining Mew's genes. It's said to have the most savage heart among Pokémon.

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#34691: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:02:33 AM

>entries written by TEN-YEAR-OLDS

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34693: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:05:19 AM

Villains are bad guys via the story.

Mewtwo has no real story in the games. At best, he's a villain in Pokemon Puzzle League due to being anime-based, but that has no real story either, so it's irrelevant.

Being dark and violent does not a villain make. If they have no role in the story, well... Mewtwo is practically a force of nature(albeit, a man-created one. I get the irony here) in practice and how he affects the game. He's just... there. The Anime (not the new movie with "her") is the only time Mewtwo has any actual story beyond "I exist".

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#34694: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:12:24 AM

Thats why I said "technically" and "villannious", not "villain" tongue Its kinda like how Giratina and Yveltal comes across as bad guys when you consider their pokedex entries and type(aka renegade pokemon and destruction pokemon) and such

edited 30th Jan '14 9:17:01 AM by SpookyMask

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#34695: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:14:56 AM

That was to Cassidy, actually.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34696: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:16:56 AM

Eh, Mewtwo's enough of an anti-hero that I'd count him among the villains. Smash needs as much as they could get.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#34697: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:17:17 AM

^^I know, I was replying to the person who replied to my post

Really though, Smash Bros mewtwo is more of movie mewtwo anyway: It can speak(in japanese version) and its mainly non physical attacker. The game mewtwo is more similar to how it appears in pokemon origins, aka its basically just really vicious animal(that is bibedal) with good physical and psychic abilities instead of being evil over lord-ish like pre heel face turn(face heel turn?) mewtwo behaves in movies.

edited 30th Jan '14 9:21:21 AM by SpookyMask

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#34698: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:22:33 AM

[up][up] Movie only. Mewtwo has no actual story or personality in the regular games. I think some of the spin-offs due have it with a personality, though.

[up] On the same page, we are.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34699: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:23:41 AM

Well he did destroy the Cinnabar Mansion and Smash has taken elements from the anime before.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34700: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:26:52 AM

The first movie is fully canon with the actual Anime.(and Mewtwo's second movie by proxy) The other movies are arguably part of the anime's canon.

Also, Anime!Mewtwo is the same as First Movie!Mewtwo. Season 1 has Mewtwo specifically lead into the first movie. We're talking about the same person, just in a different way.

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