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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#34626: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:21:41 AM

... Holy crap, tomorrow is January 30th. You know what this means? It means tomorrow we might or we might not see the return of Ice Climbers, as that one old fellow said.

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edited 29th Jan '14 11:21:58 AM by TPPR10

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34627: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:23:11 AM

I do believe they'll be linked to NES Remix. When does that come out again?

Anyway, I prefer Ridley. The Hunters still remind me too much of Samus, where Ridley is unique. I don't believe there'd be any issue with making him playable. He could be a little fast and frail, perhaps. Not high attack power. Kind of like Fox is overall in Melee/Brawl.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#34628: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:24:35 AM

It came out last year in December. So its really now or never.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34629: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:26:38 AM

It's not "now or never", actually.

Sakurai may not have perfected them just yet and wants to wait to show them off. He might not even reveal them at all and they'll be in the game. There is no "specific" date required to show them, basically. Tomorrow is a perfect date to do so, though.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#34630: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:32:20 AM

Yeah, I was going with "If you're not going to show them off now, then when are you going to show them?". But to be honest, if they are able to make Ice Climbers playable enough that they can show them off, they don't need to "perfect" them unless theya re planning to show a playable demo of the game.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34631: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:33:49 AM

Agreed.

I'd love to see them or Medusa tomorrow myself. Not that Palutena is impossible, obviously.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#34632: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:36:38 AM

Doesn't seem right not to have the Ice Climbers...

I'm expecting every character from the first Super Smash Bros, and just about every character that survived from Melee to Brawl. There's something in longevity that's very reliable...

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34633: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:39:56 AM

Seeing as how Rosalina and Luma prove the Ice Climbers-based issue was probably fixed, well... I'm sure they're back.

Surviving from Melee to Brawl might not mean much, to be honest. Especially if Falco and Ganondorf don't get de-cloned. It's nice that Brawl introduced zero clones, though.(NPC characters aside like the Fighting Team)

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#34634: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:47:08 AM

[up]Unpopular opinion time; Wolf was still too similar to not be a clone.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34635: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:50:57 AM

Yeah, he was no clone.

His Landmaster was almost the same, and that was... it. The rest had very different properties B-move wise, as well as his actual A moves were all unique. He's no clone and never was(Final Smash aside at best). Falco was still a clone, though. His only truly different B move was the Reflector, the rest being almost exactly the same.(his other moves are as different as Fox and Wolf's Landmasters) His A moves are a little different, but only some of them.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#34636: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:52:31 AM

To be fair, the Specials are the first moves people notice, and Wolf's were clearly based on Fox's. I'm not saying it's right, mind you.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34637: Jan 29th 2014 at 11:57:13 AM

That's because they're first moves shown on the site. Which is understandable. One issue is that they weren't described too differently. Meanwhile other people actually did proper research to show that beyond the Landmaster, his moves are quite different overall(Reflector is a legitimate argument for a similar move, though).

The problem with Wolf's specials is that they still are extremely different to a degree. His Up B only has the same animation, but no fire and other unique properties. His Reflect is kinda similar, until we realize it has very different properties and a fully different look to it. His Laser is nothing alike Fox's. His Side B is a very different move, have entirely unique properties. The only thing it has in common is that he "flashes" towards a direction, but that's about it.

His Landmaster is almost exactly the same, where the rest... aren't. The Reflector is the only other one close to being a clone move. None of the rest are, though. Even though they have similar origins, Sakurai did a pretty good job of making them unique moves. Also, he shares zero A moves in common with Fox.(you could argue his Dash Attack being the same as Fox's Up Smash in design is a similar move at best, but otherwise, nope)

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#34638: Jan 29th 2014 at 1:12:06 PM

Even when playing a game without looking at any of the websites, people pay more attention to the Specials, at least at first. They're certainly flashier.

That's why people notice the "has a laser gun, reflector, recovery move that fires him in a straight line, and a move that thrusts him kinda horizontally" parts before noticing everything else about him. Remember Lucario? People were more willing to notice the similarities than what set them apart.

edited 29th Jan '14 2:08:16 PM by doctrainAUM

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34639: Jan 29th 2014 at 1:16:58 PM

Agreed.

Doesn't make sense to ignore almost their entire movelist. Just a simple lack of research and all.

The reason Young Link was a clone of Link is because almost all of his moves were the exact same animation-wise. Wolf doesn't even come halfway close to that. Hell, most of his animations are different entirely. Landmaster is literally his only real clone move, and the rest are pretty varied. I can understand Reflector being cited as one since they're fairly similar. The rest? Not really. Falco is still pretty much a clone.

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#34640: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:55:44 PM

I just plain don't need to see Wolf back. I want to see antagonists, but Krystal replacing Wolf seems better for the series to me. Also, she's less of a clone.

Falco needs an Arwing, not a landmaster. Three was just lame, Sakurai.

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#34641: Jan 29th 2014 at 4:14:07 PM

Krystal would be somewhat less of a clone than Wolf, but she would be far less of a clone than Falco.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#34642: Jan 29th 2014 at 4:21:15 PM

Wolf's moveset is really different from Fox's.

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#34643: Jan 29th 2014 at 4:21:31 PM

Replace water buffalo with Landmaster.

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#34644: Jan 29th 2014 at 6:21:51 PM

Pious Augustus has a staff in Eternal Darkness, A staff gets passed around between the Solar Empresses and Kaiser Vlad in Battalion Wars ii, Medusa has a staff in Kid Icarus: Uprising (as do Jenna, Ivan, Mia, Sheba, Karis, Reif and Himi if we are talking third string characters). There are few people I would rather see in Super Smash Bros before Krystal, even with "the magic staff she hardly uses" excuse. If we were to get a funny animal I'd rather have Dixie Kong or maybe Bubbles from Clu Clu land.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34645: Jan 29th 2014 at 6:30:37 PM

I really don't want to see Krystal. I don't see a point in replacing Falco or Wolf with her, and I dislike her as a character.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#34646: Jan 29th 2014 at 6:31:02 PM

The way Palutena uses her staff is decidedly different.

Even if we're looking only at the respective spells.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34647: Jan 29th 2014 at 6:41:32 PM

Krystal is really the only character from Star Fox I find worthy for being a good new addition. She's literally the only one who could easily bring an even more unique style. Falco is pretty much not unique at all, so I have zero issue with replacing him for an unique hero. Wolf is definitely the better choice for staying, imo.

That, and Falco bores me to tears. Fox, Wolf, and Krystal are 3 of my favorites. I like Slippy too, because he's actually interesting overall. That, and has more to his character than "point blank sarcasm".

edited 29th Jan '14 6:42:26 PM by Irene

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#34648: Jan 29th 2014 at 6:51:49 PM

I love Krystal. And not because she's a girl, which isn't a primary reason anyway...

But I like her telepathy, her accent, and her sort of charm. in Star Fox Adventures she was feisty and adventurous, though in Star Fox Assault she was more mellow and sophisticated.

As a Smash fighter though, she'd probably be more Assault than Adventure and not use her staff. She's probably moved past that.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#34649: Jan 29th 2014 at 7:02:02 PM

I'm just used to Falco. After he was in two games, I'd be surprised to see him go. Wolf... was just there.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#34650: Jan 29th 2014 at 7:03:30 PM

Eh, what does Super Smash Bros need more of, villains or females?

(female villains)

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