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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#34551: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:32:23 PM

You think adding Bandana Waddle Dee would be good?

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#34552: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:38:07 PM

Eh, the difference between Rosalina and Shadow is that Rosaline debuted in a good game...

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Huh. I think I prefer the name "Rosaline" to her actual name now. Sounds more... princesesy.

edited 28th Jan '14 6:46:08 PM by FOFD

MrYoshbert A Fan of Feathery Flights of Fancy from ??? Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#34553: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:41:42 PM

[up][up]I can see Bandanna Dee as an assist trophy (maybe even replacing Knuckle Joe), or maybe as a summon move used by Dedede.

edited 28th Jan '14 6:42:04 PM by MrYoshbert

Eh.
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#34554: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:43:09 PM

Nah, Dedede will summon a Phantom as his new move.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#34555: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:43:56 PM

Phantom is the new Landmaster.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34556: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:44:32 PM

As much as I would like to see a fourth Kirby character, I think they got it good right now as is. Bandanna Dee should show up as one of King Dedede's summons if he's not an Assist Trophy or character, though.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#34557: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:45:29 PM

What exactly is the difference between Bandanna Dee and a generic Waddle Dee? Aside from the obvious.

edited 28th Jan '14 6:45:40 PM by Mukora

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#34558: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:45:40 PM

Yeah- Bandanna Dee should be a product of Waddle Dee Toss, using the Spear Waddle Dee attack pattern from the source games.

[up]He's a particular Waddle Dee who appears in Kirby Super Star Deluxe, Kirby's Return to Dreamland, and arguably Kirby 64, there sans signature blue bandanna. He's King Dedede's most loyal henchman, as shown by his being the only audience member in the battle with Masked Dedede.

edited 28th Jan '14 6:47:28 PM by Pulse

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#34560: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:48:26 PM

Basically what the above said.

edited 28th Jan '14 6:48:52 PM by Grounder

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34561: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:50:05 PM

Minus the Ensemble Dark Horse part. He's a main character that's playable in a game. That's a misuse of the trope, which has had tons of problems lately.

There's probably another trope for it, but he got popular fast for being that "out of the ordinary" guy from the generic ones. Toad is similar in that regard.

He could be considered an Ascended Extra, though. That one Waddle Dee that went above the rest.

edited 28th Jan '14 6:51:38 PM by Irene

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
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#34563: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:55:32 PM

[up][up]I think you have a bit too high of a standard for a minor character.

A character can be playable, and still be incredibly minor in the grand scheme of things.

If it was someone like Meta Knight, I would agree.

edited 28th Jan '14 6:57:44 PM by Grounder

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#34564: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:56:06 PM

Bandana Dee also shows up in Kirby Triple Deluxe.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34565: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:58:06 PM

Actually, I didn't know he was a minor character first. I don't own many Kirby games.

He's a Breakout Character now, yeah.

The trope does get heavy misuse, though. >_<

Shadow?
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#34566: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:58:41 PM

I guess Breakout Character would be more appropriate.

Hmm... I'll have to reread those tropes and see if someone can be a Breakout Character, but not an Ensemble Dark Horse.

EDIT: Ooooookay, I see the misuse. Ensemble Dark Horse would be when, say, the out-of-focus fifth guy in a Five-Man Band becomes popular, right? But not one the nameless background character becomes popular?

edited 28th Jan '14 7:00:23 PM by NesClassic

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OdieFromTheOZ KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#34567: Jan 28th 2014 at 6:59:43 PM

Breakout Character tends to be the evolution, a character who becomes their own franchise so to speak. Wario and Yoshi would be Breakout characters.

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#34568: Jan 28th 2014 at 7:00:20 PM

Maybe Ascended Extra would be best for him now if he's in Triple Deluxe, as well.

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#34569: Jan 28th 2014 at 7:02:11 PM

If the Ensemble Dark Horse becomes an important character, they're now a Breakout Character.
So, basically, it's two different levels of becoming popular with the fans. Right?

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#34570: Jan 28th 2014 at 7:08:28 PM

The Ensemble Dark Horse simply means a minor character is popular with the fanbase. They only become a Breakout Character if it leads to said character gaining more of a focus in-franchise.

i.e. The Hunters from Prime 3 are all darkhorses because they're popular with the fans, but they gain no role beyond that. Bandana Dee is a Breakout Character because he ended up becoming a main character due to his popularity.

It seems to me that the Ascended Extra is more in regards to when characters gain a more important role regardless of the fanbase's reaction.

edited 28th Jan '14 7:25:14 PM by Nap1100

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#34571: Jan 28th 2014 at 7:11:41 PM

[up]Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.smile

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34572: Jan 28th 2014 at 7:21:25 PM

That is not what Ensemble Dark Horse means. It's a minor character that becomes popular within the franchise.

Major characters(especially notable protagonists) cannot be one. Mascots cannot be ones. Main playable characters cannot be one.(I.E. Charizard cannot be one in the regular Pokemon games, although some of the side games are harder to say, but he can be one in SSB since he was a minor character in the fighting games. He's also a Breakout Character in Brawl. Ridley shares a similar fate when he became a boss, as well as Meta Knight and King Dedede.)

edited 28th Jan '14 7:26:21 PM by Irene

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#34573: Jan 28th 2014 at 7:24:26 PM

They don't necessarily have to be minor, I don't think. Although, yes. They have to be a side character to qualify.

edited 28th Jan '14 7:25:12 PM by NesClassic

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#34574: Jan 28th 2014 at 7:24:28 PM

Ah yeah, forgot that part. Sorry. I'll edit it.

edited 28th Jan '14 7:25:02 PM by Nap1100

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Court Dragon
#34575: Jan 28th 2014 at 8:26:48 PM

Bandana Dee was a minor character who became quite popular. He was a Waddle Dee who had dialogues with Dedede during the Revenge of the King segment in Superstar Ultra (like how the Halberd Captain and Meta-Knights had dialogues with Meta Knight) and acted as a "boss fight" just before you met Dedede himself (and replaced the Gold Waddle Dee in the Arena)

It wasn't until later that he became a playable character in Return to Dreamland, probably due to his popularity with the fans.

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