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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#34126: Jan 23rd 2014 at 2:12:22 PM

Honestly, cool as Ridley would be I doubt he has a chance of getting in.

As beloved as the metroid series is, japan doesn't really like it too much.

Much as it pains me to say it, I'm fairly sure that we're lucky to even be getting Samus.

(That being said, I would prefer Dark Samus. I would totally main her if she got in.)

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#34127: Jan 23rd 2014 at 2:27:15 PM

Metroid isn't that unpopular in Japan.

TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#34128: Jan 23rd 2014 at 2:34:42 PM

Much as it pains me to say it, I'm fairly sure that we're lucky to even be getting Samus.

If that were really so, I doubt very much that Samus would have made it into the roster of the original Super Smash Brothers.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34129: Jan 23rd 2014 at 2:40:52 PM

Metroid isn't that popular in Japan, but it's popular enough- and big enough -that two characters is not unfeasible. I suspect the fact that we've only had one character so far is less about series popularity and more a lack of an obvious candidate outside of Ridley.

Three or more characters is unlikely though, even if it had many obvious candidates. I think part of why Star Fox got three was that it was easy enough to add in more since all the characters are fairly humanoid, armed with advanced weapons, and their animal qualities give them some melee options. So it was easy to implement Wolf for a quick roster addition.

edited 23rd Jan '14 2:42:57 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34130: Jan 23rd 2014 at 2:45:35 PM

[up][up] Pretty much this.

It's nice we finally got a second Metroid character in Brawl, but we could easily have one more. And I prefer something other than a Hunter or Dark Samus. Main reason is that it still reminds me too much of Samus, a big suit-wearing badass with a gun. Zero Suit at least changed it up design-wise, but didn't much change it overall(well gameplay yes). Still a similar idea.

This is why I want Ridley, to have something far different.

Shadow?
Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#34131: Jan 23rd 2014 at 2:52:45 PM

So Ridley is the new Landmaster?

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#34132: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:11:11 PM

Mother Brain is more iconic than Ridley.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#34133: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:11:50 PM

But what are we gonna put Mother Brain in? Her robot body thing from Super Metroid?

Or is she gonna sit there and blink at you?

Oh really when?
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#34134: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:12:45 PM

Her cyclops form does exist, but I find that boring compared to her Captain N incarnation. That one has a ton of weapons, etc. Not that it has a chance, but that'd make a great boss to fight.

Shadow?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34135: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:13:22 PM

How do you draw that conclusion? I'm pretty sure more people have a passing familiarity with Ridley than Mother Brain. He's been in far more games and he's the archenemy of Samus as well. He's the most obvious choice.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#34136: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:14:23 PM

No, Ridley is more iconic than Mother Brain.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34137: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:14:53 PM

I'd say Ridley is more iconic than Mother Brain, personally. He is Samus's archnemesis and is The Heavy in Super Metroid, he's just never the final boss. Not to mention there's only been three games without Ridley (Metroid II, Metroid Prime Hunters, and Metroid Prime Echoes, the latter of which was actually going to include him), whereas Mother Brain has only appeared in the original and Super Metroid, and during the opening of Other M.

He's also the only boss, aside from Dark Samus in Metroid Prime 2, to be fought more than once in a game, being fought twice in Super Metroid, Metroid Prime 3, and Other M (Also, Zero Mission has the robot Ridley in addition to normal Ridley).

edited 23rd Jan '14 3:17:25 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#34138: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:15:15 PM

I didn't even know what Mother Brain looked like until recently.

Ridley, though? I've been able to recognize him as long as I can remember.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#34139: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:17:25 PM

No, Ridley is a generic dragon, and even though he's appeared in multiple games, he's never been a very important boss.

Mother Brain is much more well known. You shouldn't generalize just from your experience playing Metroid.

edited 23rd Jan '14 3:19:13 PM by CassidyTheDevil

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#34140: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:18:24 PM

Which is why I think the second character is going to be Metroid-on-a-stick

I mean they've got the model for him already

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34141: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:21:26 PM

[up][up]"never been an important boss"

What? Have you even played a Metroid game?

Also I have no clue where you're getting that she's more well known. Ridley is the archnemesis. Everyone who knows anything about Metroid knows who he is. He appears in Smash whereas Mother Brain isn't even mentioned.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34142: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:21:27 PM

...He's ALWAYS been an important boss. Except maybe in Metroid and its remake. In Metroid Prime he's essentially the main antagonist you chase to Tallon IV, and the penultimate boss. In Metroid Prime 3 he's fought twice, once in a climactic falling battle and again as the penultimate boss. In Super Metroid he's the Hopeless Boss Fight and the penultimate boss. In Other M he's... well, a role in a very "special" scene, and probably the only boss they put any effort into. In Fusion, he's yet again the penultimate boss, and even gets some buildup unlike most of the others.

Heck, he's even the penultimate boss in the original, but there were only three bosses there and he was no more important than Kraid back then.

edited 23rd Jan '14 3:22:23 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#34143: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:23:01 PM

Ridley is the first and penultimate boss of Super, one of the main antagonists of Prime 1, the final boss of Zero Mission, the second and penultimate boss of Prime 3, and had one of the biggest scenes in Other M. Mother Brain is the final boss of Metroid 1 and Super Metroid, but she only leaves an impression in Super.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#34144: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:23:23 PM

In short: Ridley is more iconic among fans. Mother Brain is more iconic among non-fans. My first game was Zero Mission, so I more readily think of Mother Brain as the main villain. I never finished it, mind you.

edited 23rd Jan '14 3:23:57 PM by doctrainAUM

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#34145: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:23:49 PM

Actually whatever happened to Kraid? Does anyone give a shit about him anymore?

What was his deal even?

Oh really when?
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#34146: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:24:10 PM

He got blown up for giving Samus a basket of puppies.

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#34147: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:24:31 PM

...Ridley is never important? Maybe in Metroid, where he is just a boss like Kraid, but in Super Metroid, he was the one who captured the Baby. In Metroid Fusion, they make a showing of the frozen Ridley (clone corpse) early on, which leads to one of the late game bosses much later on. Zero Mission had a whole cutscene around his showing up and such (plus he got a robot!).

Also, Metroid Prime stuff.

And that is not even going into backstory and lore stuff.

edited 23rd Jan '14 3:25:12 PM by Otherarrow

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#34148: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:26:17 PM

He was scheduled to appear as Meta-Kraid in Prime 1, but that never happened.

He does at least get to be a boss in Nintendo Land, but he hasn't appeared in-series since Super Metroid (Or Zero Mission, if you count remakes).

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#34149: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:28:06 PM

Trophy description of Ridley in Brawl:

"The leader of the Space Pirates. He looks like a pterosaur but has high intelligence and a brutal nature. He plans to steal the baby Metroid from Samus for his own use. Ridley utilizes wings for a full range of flight and attacks with fireballs from his mouth and whips of his tail. As the culprit behind the murder of Samus's parents, the connections with Samus run deep."

In addition to the highlighted I don't even think Mother Brain got a trophy in Brawl whereas Ridley is called their leader and he gets two boss fights. I think it's obvious that Sakurai considers him the primary antagonist.

edited 23rd Jan '14 3:28:27 PM by Kostya

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#34150: Jan 23rd 2014 at 3:29:28 PM

Yeah, I played all the Metroid games when I was little. But I don't really remember things that far back well.

Anyway, I do remember he's just a minor boss in the Prime series. He shows up out of nowhere without explanation, and he's pretty easy to defeat.


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