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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#33151: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:23:12 PM

I would love to see FOXHOUND and maybe some of the Cobra unit as assist trophies

Oh really when?
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#33152: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:25:40 PM

And we need Metal Gear Rising era Raiden in there. Or maybe Armstrong

As an assist trophy? Cause I can't them adding more than one playable character from that series. And the only character they'd use would be Snake, if anyone.

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#33153: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:27:29 PM

Yeah, it always seemed to me like any given third-party series would only have one playable rep and if any other characters from the series showed up they'd be relegated to assist trophies or background appearances.

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#33154: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:32:42 PM

Regarding Raiden; apart from Ghost Babel (sort of), he's never been on a Nintendo console, unlike the Cobra unit and FOXHOUND. Members of the latter may also be appearing in MGSV, so including one as an assist trophy could also function as an early cameo similar to those in the Shadow Moses stage from Brawl.

Speaking of which, do you think it's likely that the handheld and console versions will have different assist trophies, considering that we haven't actually seen any on the 3DS version yet?

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#33155: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:33:50 PM

[up] I really cannot see why the different versions would have different Assist Trophies.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#33156: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:35:10 PM

Same reason they'd have different Trophies and Stages?

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#33157: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:37:07 PM

All we've heard is that stages and trophies will be game-exclusive. Nothing has been said about Assist Trophies yet (plus Wario Ware is a primarily handheld series), so I'd assume they're identical between versions

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#33158: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:39:52 PM

Ashley's presence makes me think they might be the same between versions, yeah. Same with Starfy and the Nintendog, which are handheld but shown on Wii U (Though they do have grandfather clause going for them).

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#33159: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:40:52 PM

Wario Ware has both Smooth Moves and Game & Wario (the most recent game) on console, so it's not unreasonable for Wii U to have WW Assist Trophies.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#33160: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:44:34 PM

Fair point.

Though Wario Ware DIY was after Smooth Moves, mind you, and there's still Nintendog and Starfy.

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#33161: Jan 16th 2014 at 12:48:41 PM

Maybe the 3DS version will include a Nintencat, which is actually Sakurai's cat in all but name.

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#33162: Jan 16th 2014 at 2:12:05 PM

Or a Nintencat could act like a Power-Up Letdown; instead of blocking the screen, it just sits there until its timer runs out and it vanishes.

(Hey, cats are less social than dogs anyway...)

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#33164: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:06:49 PM

I fail to see why Chrom shouldn't replace Ike outright.

Because replacing the only Lord besides Marth to be the star of more than one game with a one-shot lord is dumb. Honestly, that's the worst kind of advertising.

That alone makes that list somewhat dubious in my mind, as the rest of it seems possible

I'm really surprised that no-one here is raising eyebrows at the Male and Female Wii Fit Trainers having completely different animations for one move where they don't even attack with the same body part. I think that's the thing most obvious to tell it's fake

Yeah, Chrom and "Marth" are the current Fire Emblem characters, it'd make more sense to have most relevant and recent guys from Fire Emblem in the newest Smash.

Most recent =/= Most Important

To be fair, while that leak doesn't sound very interesting, I'm getting a feeling that most people in this thread dislike it just for Pac man

Nope. Hate it for it's stagnant Star Fox roster, Ganondorf still having some of his clone moves, Diddy being forced into a tag-team character, etc.

edited 16th Jan '14 3:10:25 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#33165: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:08:37 PM

[up]Yeah, that was my automatic instinct as well. "Yo this character has a butt attack but an alternate skin of it will have the attack hitting with a completely different hitbox."

Legit Level: 2.

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#33166: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:18:45 PM

Honestly, that's the worst kind of advertising.

Can we please not start on this again?

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#33167: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:19:46 PM

You think if Takamaru is in, he'll have his Samurai Warriors 3 appearance, or his appearance in Captain Rainbow?

Out of the two, Samurai Warriors, because Captain Rainbow made him look hideous. But I'd rather a new design or one faithful to his original.

Maybe make a special based on the Ninja Log Trick and have it as a counter?

I had an idea for a Ninja Log move too, but isn't Takamaru a Samurai? tongue

I'll admit, I mostly was just thinking of a Marth-style Counter move.

Nah, Boring.

Its easy to make invisibility and L.O.S. work agianst AI, I dont know why they dont.

I guess L.O.S stands for Loss of Sight?

[up][up]Fine I won't use that word for now. But the point about replacing a guy who's been in more games with a one-shot still stands.

edited 16th Jan '14 3:21:16 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#33168: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:29:21 PM

Ganondorf still having some of his clone moves

I personally think that "some" is better than "all".

Obviously, "none" would be the ideal situation, and I would totally love it if they scrapped what he has and made an entirely new set of moves and properties, but I'll take "some" if that's my only option. Much as I'd like him to have no Falcon-inspired moves, I have to keep a realistic outlook on it. And Sakurai is probably more likely to alter Ganondorf than remake him from the ground up.

Personally, I wouldn't exactly want him to have a switch-to-sword special, unless it's dual-wielding, which would significantly change his fighting style. A lot of his current moves could be made sword attacks wihout really changing their properties or even hitboxes much. Like his forward smash, or up tilt. At this point, I'm kind of okay with him still having some punches and kicks and such. Ganondorf's enough of a brutally strong person that it's believable, and his moves, while still Falcon-inspired, gained some of his personality in Brawl, and I can imagine the drift would continue into this game.

Currently, my thoughts for changes to his specials are like this.

B: Black Hole. tapping it fires a single electric orb. Letting it charge builds up an sphere that shatters into a bunch of dark snakey projectiles that home.
Down B: Warlock Punch. On the ground, it's as it is in Brawl. In the air, however, it becomes a falling attack that sends out a shockwave. It's his close-up attack from Ocarina.
Side B: Flame Choke.
Up B: Fell Flight. A flight mode like Pit's, because Pit seems to be losing that aspect of his recovery.

Something of a compromise, but it still makes all his attacks something he either has been known to do, or something he totally would do.

edited 16th Jan '14 3:30:56 PM by Enlong

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#33169: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:40:23 PM

Ganondorf should have never been a clone in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#33170: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:43:30 PM

I get that. Trust me. I've gotten that since Melee. But his situation was better in Brawl, and I can see it further improving.

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#33171: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:46:37 PM

When I was a little kid and first played melee the only nintendo game I played was Mario, and I thought Captain Falcon was Ganondorf's son because of their movesets.

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#33172: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:48:30 PM

Thought they were brothers, and that Marth was a girl and Roy was her brother.

Now's it's Shulk Time!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#33173: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:48:56 PM

Obligatory.

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#33174: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:49:21 PM

I'm still not sure Marth isn't a girl.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#33175: Jan 16th 2014 at 3:50:38 PM

Pac-Man is important to the industry as a whole, sure, but keep him the hell out of my Smash Bros.

This.

And sneakers instead of generic red shoes... which, to me, screams We're Still Relevant, Dammit.

Him getting a new show and a game based off of it screams Were Still Relevant Dammit.

Pac-man has tons to work with. Kicks, ground pounds, spin attacks, eating people.

All of which have been covered by multiple characters, multiple times.

[up][up]Snake should return just so I can re-enact that. tongue

edited 16th Jan '14 3:51:42 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

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