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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32326: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:19:38 PM

Rosalina and Luma are bad examples. Luma only sometimes shows up for some moves. It's not basically its own character when entered. Ice Climbers(and Pokemon Trainer) are the only ones to have two models on the screen almost all the time, moreso on Pokemon Trainer.

Olimar and Pikmin are closer to how Ice Climbers work. But, then, nobody plays like the Ice Climbers do whatsoever.

Big models alone might be the issue itself. Something most of the others don't have. Not an Olimar problem. My guess is that Rosalina and Luma don't have the same issues since Luma only sometimes shows up, and disappears often enough to not push much processing power. Pikmin definitely would push out more around the Ice Climbers level due to them being onscreen very quickly and staying there(unless killed). Luma is closer to how a Pokeball Pokemon or Assist Trophy shows up.

On another note, I have a feeling that how many Pokeball Pokemon and Assist Trophies that can be onscreen will be reduced in the 3DS for a similar reason.

Shadow?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32327: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:22:05 PM

[up]Nope, Luma is always there and he mimics Rosalina's moves. It's no different from Ice Climbers. Watch the trailer again and it becomes apparent.

edited 12th Jan '14 7:22:50 PM by Kostya

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#32328: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:24:47 PM

Yep, Rosie and Luma work like a mix between Olimar and the Ice Climbers, leaning much closer to Ice Climbers' style.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32329: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:26:41 PM

Then I remembered it wrong.

Now I wonder how long before IC are revealed. The issue appears fixed, then. I wish he outright said it was fixed, but he's probably waiting to confirm IC himself instead.

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#32330: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:37:32 PM

Yeah, Luma basically mirrors Rosalina in very much a similar way to how Nana/Popo mimics Popo/Nana.

Except Luma's a different model with different animations, and should therefore be more difficult to implement.

edited 12th Jan '14 7:37:49 PM by Enlong

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#32331: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:40:33 PM

I don't know what's the problem, if a PS1 fighter could handle over 200 playable characters and still add a few more NP Cs, I'm sure the 3DS can handle a hefty roster.

edited 12th Jan '14 7:41:24 PM by Rinsankajugin

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32332: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:51:04 PM

We have no idea if Sakurai had more difficulty in implementing Luma. Probably did.

Just waiting to show off IC at a better date, I'm guessing. Possibly to advertise NES Remix.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32333: Jan 12th 2014 at 7:52:55 PM

For the record, Mukora, I do care that the Wii U's roster size is being strangled by the 3DS version. tongue

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#32334: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:46:26 PM

Why, though? There are bound to be about as many characters as Brawl, maybe slightly less, and half of the ones in Brawl look redundant to me, anyway.

I mean, I guess you could be upset that Wii Fit Trainer took a potential spot for an actual cool character, but eh.

edited 12th Jan '14 8:46:38 PM by Mukora

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#32335: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:48:44 PM

[up] Wii Fit Trainer is the best fucking thing and that's final!

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32336: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:49:06 PM

To you, maybe. I like every character in brawl, and hoped for more.

Sakurai has said he doesn't want to cut anyone from Brawl, at least, so hopefully he can achieve that.

edited 12th Jan '14 8:51:31 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#32337: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:50:47 PM

I highly doubt the game is going to go backwards as far as characters go. I'm guessing there will be somewhere between 40 and 50, counting alternate movesets (Sheik, ZSS, etc).

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#32338: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:51:26 PM

[up]x3 How even?

edited 12th Jan '14 8:51:44 PM by Mukora

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32339: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:52:47 PM

I'm expecting around 50 characters. Every other game has upped the roster by 10-14 and 50 would be a nice round number in line with previous additions.

edit: How were Brawl's characters redundant? It was a much better roster than the previous games.

edited 12th Jan '14 8:53:27 PM by Kostya

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32340: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:54:02 PM

45-50 would be nice. I'm expecting a minimum of 40, regardless of who comes back.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32341: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:55:26 PM

Either 45 or 50 would work. One gives you nine rows of five and the other gives you ten rows of five. Either way it would be at least ten characters more than Brawl which is pretty much expected.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#32342: Jan 12th 2014 at 8:57:11 PM

[up]x3 Sorry, I was thinking of Melee when I said that. I though more of the characters from that made it over than actually did.

Still, you could probably cut out Toon Link, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and one each of the Fire Emblem, Starfox and Earthbound characters if you absolutely had to.

Which they shouldn't.

edited 12th Jan '14 8:59:09 PM by Mukora

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32343: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:00:08 PM

I'm expecting around 10 newcomers.

I don't outright expect all Brawl characters to come back, though. Maybe, maybe not. For Pokemon, they might add one more slot on the select screen for Mewtwo and bring everybody back. That's a good list. Gen V and VI don't have as many standsout as they used to, or the same high popularity. Not that I don't want characters from there, of course.

Fire Emblem might have 3. Who beyond Marth? Could be Ike and Chrom. Could be Ike and Roy. The only one I don't see is Marth, Roy, and Chrom for the full list. Ike is very popular, well more than Roy, so I think he's good to stay. I want Roy, Hector, Lyn as potential third choices after Marth and Ike, though. I think Lyn has a slight chance, since she has an attack and animations from Brawl. But I feel many Assist Trophies have a chance in that same way. Little Mac is another(and I would love to see him in).

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32344: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:00:44 PM

The only franchise that I wouldn't mind going down in characters is Earthbound. I think Jigglypuff, Lucario, and Falco should be cut but I'd replace them with someone else from their franchise rather than leaving those spots blank.

Then you have franchises like Fire Emblem, Metroid, and Pokemon that could easily justify having more representation.

[up]I'd like it if they dropped Ike and had Marth, Micaiah, and Chrom. Lyn would also be nice but I don't know if Fire Emblem is big enough to justify having four characters.

edited 12th Jan '14 9:01:53 PM by Kostya

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#32345: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:01:24 PM

Who else is there to add from Metroid though?

Oh really when?
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#32346: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:01:40 PM

Metroid not nearly as much as the other two. It's not only had way less games, it also has way, way less characters.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32347: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:02:46 PM

[up][up]Ridley and/or Sylux. Just add one of them and keep Samus and ZSS and I think it's properly represented.

[up]Metroid had nine games. That's more than Star Fox and that series got three characters. Heck, Earthbound is three games and it gets two spots.

edited 12th Jan '14 9:03:24 PM by Kostya

Imca (Veteran)
#32348: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:03:27 PM

Chrom would just be a marth clone though.

Atleast Lynn would have a fairly unique style, and Michia could have magic.

Roy wont be coming back, his game never went stateside, and is not that liked or unique.

edited 12th Jan '14 9:04:12 PM by Imca

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#32349: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:03:46 PM

Like Samus is definitely a mainstay forever but I'm trying to think of who else you could even put in from the series.

The other hunters from Prime 3 and Hunters maybe?

Oh really when?
Imca (Veteran)
#32350: Jan 12th 2014 at 9:04:33 PM

Sylux and Ridley both get lotsa votes.


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