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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#32226: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:22:17 PM

I wish Peach's Final Smash was something different. You could even have a rain of rainbow-colored lights as a suspiciously-similar move to Geno Blast. Handwave it by saying that Peach is borrowing the power of the Star Sprites, as she does in more than a few games.

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brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32227: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:23:29 PM

I wish they would make two different smash balls for each new smash bros game. One for them old final smashes and the newer one for a brand new final smash. Such as dedede can use the Brawl final smash, and the newest one can be Masked Dedede.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32228: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:25:07 PM

To be fair, some of them were made up on the spot. Although some were made up well beforehand.

Both Triforce Slashes are clearly made up. Giga Bowser is just a character from the previous game made playable. Mario Finale might be based upon Super Mario RPG's fireball attacks with Mario. I think Peach's might be based upon Super Princess Peach. Falcon's is made up entirely.(it's an easy one to think of, though. Especially since the Mute City stage did the same thing, just not as powerful of an attack) Pikachu's isn't made up, but it is different from how it works in the games, being based upon the game Pulseman. King Dedede's appears to be made up too. I have no idea if Meta Knight's is. Ice Climbers is made up, although an easy one to think of as well. Luigi's appears to be a reference to the Minus World(especially the move name itself), but has some psychological ideas to it.

The rest have traces back to other games. This isn't counting any Smash 4 ones. Switched out FS' or the new characters' ones.

edited 10th Jan '14 5:26:45 PM by Irene

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#32229: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:35:19 PM

Meta Knight's is made up. Which is weird, when he's got that tall tornado thing in Super Star he could've used.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32230: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:35:29 PM

I personally feel that most of the made-for-Brawl Final Smashes fit the character they are given to, if nothing else- Mario Finale is derived from the Fire Flower and even resembles two entwined fireballs instead one really huge one, Triforce Slash suits Link as the Goddesses' Hero and a skilled swordsman, etc.

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#32231: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:36:25 PM

But they're so boring. "It's like his normal attack, but bigger!" They couldn't come up with something more interesting then that?

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#32232: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:37:10 PM

Still wish Diddy had Guitar Gazump.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#32233: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:38:34 PM

I think that'd be too similar to DK's, and DK doesn't really have a good alternative.

The guitar should be in as a taunt and/or victory animation, though.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32234: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:40:36 PM

I felt they could've done better for both Links. I get that making all Special Moves the same as is would require a Final Smash they could both use. None of them have something that powerful in common. Bombos, for instance, only technically could be used by Toon Link if you stretch it at best. The ALTTP remake somewhat uses his Toon design more than his old one. Although I wouldn't mind that for both. I do agree Triforce Slash is fitting, though.

I wish Sheik had her own. She has a Harp... why not have something neat based around it? You've got 6 Temples in that game... and the Ice Cavern too.(I think she showed up there as well, but it's been a while)

And yeah, they all are fitting, agreed. Doesn't make them necessarily good, but they work.

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#32235: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:44:41 PM

Eh, making the two Links have the same special moves is overly limiting enough already. At least give them different final smashes. Link can have a series of Skyward Strikes, or that Skyward Strike thing in the Hyrule Warriors trailer. Toon Link can use the Balled of Gales or the Hurricane Spin. Bam.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32236: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:47:16 PM

Not what I meant.

I mean, that explains Brawl's being the same.

They should be different this time around. They got a lot to go off of now.

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#32237: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:49:59 PM

They should make an open world Ice Climbers RPG. Combat would be similar Mario & Luigi.

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#32238: Jan 10th 2014 at 5:50:17 PM

Eh, Masked Dedede... I would want that as an alternate costume. If we're changing Waddle Dee Army, I'd make Dedede's Final Smash into Grand Hammer.

As for Mario Finale, in addition to the above I think it also suits Mario because it

  • has decent power
  • wide range
  • and is easy to use

...all of which suit a beginner character.

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#32239: Jan 10th 2014 at 6:03:13 PM

Speaking of Final Smashes, it seems kinda strange that the only ones we've seen for SSB4 so far are Samus's and Wii Fit Trainer's, both of which were shown when the game was first announced...

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#32240: Jan 10th 2014 at 6:04:31 PM

I would have posted this earlier, but today I was flying on an airplane for most of the day. A few minutes after leaving the internet, I realized just why Dedede looks so much more expressive in some of the shots: they gave him teeth.

edited 10th Jan '14 6:05:52 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#32241: Jan 10th 2014 at 6:06:57 PM

Maybe he wants us to find out when we buy the game?

I dunno why, though. He didn't list any special moves on the site this time. It's also possible they're not all figured out and he wants to wait a bit to show any other ones off. Especially if he might change out some for other kinds of Final Smashes. For whatever reason. Giga Bowser could become a boss again, Palutena could be playable... just two I can think of. Others could be giving Link and Toon Link unique ones. Or remaking other ones. Like Mario Finale might be far stronger or have a better overall range(from the bottom to the top of the screen).

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#32242: Jan 10th 2014 at 7:44:36 PM

Link can have the special skyward strike that busts Demise wide open and makes the last phase of that fight into a cakewalk.

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#32243: Jan 10th 2014 at 7:50:08 PM

The lightning-strike?

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#32244: Jan 10th 2014 at 7:50:13 PM

I'd prefer a regular Skyward Strike followed by the lightning-charged finishing blow from that battle. Of course, if you use it on Ganondorf he'll have a 1/3 chance of rolling out of the way.

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#32245: Jan 11th 2014 at 9:01:01 AM

So I just heard that you can swap Trophies between the two versions. Has there been any solid proof on that?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32246: Jan 11th 2014 at 2:41:03 PM

That would be really cool if you could get all the 3DS trophies onto the Wii U version and vice-versa. But it seems unlikely, especially for such a small feature.

I wonder, do you think the 3DS version uses the same models the Wii U version uses, just run through a different renderer?

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#32247: Jan 11th 2014 at 2:58:09 PM

It would be a lot more work to create two separate models just for a different version, so I imagine that's indeed the case.

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#32248: Jan 11th 2014 at 4:10:50 PM

Yeah, they're probably just rendered in lower quality for the 3DS. What is the graphical power of the 3DS, anyway? I've heard that the original DS line was on par with the N64, except maybe slightly better. Would the 3DS be approaching that of the Game Cube's power, or more or less?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#32249: Jan 11th 2014 at 4:18:22 PM

It seems to be lower-end Gamecube quality, as far as I can tell. There's still noticeable polygons on most models on games such as Kid Icarus: Uprising, though it's fairly inconsistent.

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#32250: Jan 11th 2014 at 4:24:07 PM

I'm under the impression that it's stronger than the GCN and not much weaker than the Wii, it's just that things have to be rendered twice for the 3D to work.

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