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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31926: Jan 6th 2014 at 2:56:26 PM

[up][up][up]I mean he's not relevant enough.

[up][up]I'm saying that if they're separate there are two Metroid characters. I don't see Sakurai wanting to go above that limit anytime soon. There's also no point since the two work perfectly fine as the same character.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#31927: Jan 6th 2014 at 2:59:14 PM

Why does a character need to be recently relevant or appear a bunch of times over the years to be considered? If the character is well-known and/or has potential for fun moves, shouldn't that be enough?

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#31928: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:09:02 PM

Nah man. They also have to be completely unique; if even one thing about them is vaguely similar to someone else on the roster, they are going to end up a complete clone.

Also, they have to be relevant to the current game playing audience: they need a well known game released at least 3 years (being generous here) before or after (advertising future products is a thing!) their inclusion in Smash Bros.

They need to fit certain size and body shape specifications. We don't want giant quadrupeds or Ridley, do we?

They need to have unique abilities and motions from their series of origin to flesh out their entire move set. Who ever heard of a character getting made up moves for Smash? No one, that's who. No one at all. Never happened.

Also, they need to be actually popular with people who aren't you. Who cares about some side character from some game I haven't played and thus no one has amirite?

...I am not funny, I'm sorry. I don't think I even hit strawman versions of all of the points for or against a character's inclusion brought up in this thread.

edited 6th Jan '14 3:10:37 PM by Otherarrow

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#31929: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:13:36 PM

Really, if everyone decided to just stop worrying about whether any given character anyone suggests is "important enough" or "interesting enough", we'd have like 80% less arguments here.

edited 6th Jan '14 3:14:21 PM by beorc

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31930: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:16:51 PM

Also, I hereby propose the word "likely" be banned from this thread forever.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31931: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:20:18 PM

Enlong: It does for Pokemon. Sakurai stated that he chooses which Pokemon to include based on who's relevant to the franchise at the time.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31932: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:25:00 PM

Relevant to the franchise at the time or named Jigglypuff.

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31933: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:29:36 PM

Oh my God, I was joking about the Psyduck thing and then you guys had to even go and turn THAT into a protracted debate.

Know what? I'm Sakurai and I declare that no one is going to be in the next Smash. This is why we can't have nice things.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31934: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:30:05 PM

Jigglypuff was one of the more important Pokemon at first because of the anime. Now it's just Grandfather Clause though which is why I'd like to see her replaced. Sylveon would be a good replacement for the pink cute Pokemon.

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#31935: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:30:54 PM

I shall ask again~

Would anyone object to K. Rool being some sort of grappler? I'm not sure if it'd be possible for a grappler's playstyle to translate into Smash Bros., but if it hypothetically were possible.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31936: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:31:04 PM

Does anyone actually like her playstyle? She always seems to be the first to go on lists.

edited 6th Jan '14 3:33:18 PM by Moth13

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31937: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:32:10 PM

I like Jigglypuff's playstyle. Difficult to master, but amazing if you can get it right.

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#31938: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:33:10 PM

Just because Jigglypuff isn't in the anime any more isn't a reason to boot her out. Jigglypuff is still a popular Pokemon.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#31939: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:33:14 PM

Know what? I'm Sakurai and I declare that no one is going to be in the next Smash.

That's just ridiculous! No one is such a lame character, there's no way it's getting in.

Me and Sakurai are bros so I totally know this stuff

edited 6th Jan '14 3:45:32 PM by beorc

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31940: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:36:35 PM

@beroc: Sakurai wills it.

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Court Dragon
#31941: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:38:26 PM

[up][up] You won't be talking that trash about No One after he crawls into your cave at night and gouges your eye out.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#31942: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:39:46 PM

Actually I think I will. Probably moreso because, y'know, he gouged out my eyes.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31943: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:40:12 PM

^^ That's ridiculous. Everyone knows no one blinded that guy. He was just making up stories. tongue

edited 6th Jan '14 3:41:03 PM by KnownUnknown

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#31944: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:40:53 PM

Jigglypuff is still one of my favorite characters to play as. I've loved playing her in all 3 games. I didn't much enjoy Lucario at all(character concept was neat, but that was it), Mewtwo was actually pretty trashy and I didn't find him all that great to play as. Neat idea, but the execution of his moves were awful.

Pokemon Trainer I somewhat like, but mostly just Squirtle among the group.(although if only one would stay, Charizard is pretty much obvious for various reasons; Popularity, currently relevant to the Anime, Mega Evolutions) I'd like all three to stay if the character stays at all, since removing any of them will just cause backlash. If the whole character doesn't come back, it'd better be because a 2nd, 3rd, 5th, or 6th Gen Pokemon is taking their place. Otherwise, do not want. But I'm sick of Gen 1 representation. Pikachu and Jigglypuff are excellent, and Mewtwo does a good enough job if you really need a third choice. Show off the other ones more outside of Poke Balls. There's a lot of unique ideas.

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31945: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:41:44 PM

But Irene, what's your stance on no one?

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#31946: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:43:11 PM

They're great for the Fighting "Vague Guys" Team. tongue

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#31947: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:44:09 PM

Someone needs to add all these arguments about Smash to the Broken Base entry and page. The current entries simply don't do justice.

beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#31948: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:45:02 PM

Well, no one cares what I think, so I don't expect he'll be getting in.

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31949: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:48:39 PM

Well, no one said he would be in Smash, so...

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#31950: Jan 6th 2014 at 3:51:42 PM

But I think no one knows what I'm talking about.

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