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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#31551: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:35:43 PM

[up][up][up]Roy was a one-shot lord who was added to advertise the upcoming Fire Emblem. Ike is the only lord besides Marth himself to be the star of more than one game and both his games were out before Brawl, one of them being from a Gamecube game.

Comparison is invalid.

[up]The point was why Shadow Dragon when it's not the most recent game? It proves the whole "Marth is an exception to the rule" theory.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:41:47 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#31552: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:36:16 PM

Roy did not return, and beyond that he did not behave any thing like he did in game, Ike is not a glacier unit.

Roy's moveset was a complete mirror of Marth's with the only difference being the location of his sweet-spot and the self-damage effect on Blazer. This is not true for Ike.

And Ike has at least one thing in his moveset that is from his game. Aether, to be precise.

Why would Sakurai throw away a moveset that has been established and proven popular? It's not like he's likely to send Ganondorf packing any time soon. And yes, Chrom also can learn Aether, but it is nothing like the animation Ike uses. If Chrom gets in, it is far more likely to be alongside Ike than replacing him.

A Nd in that case, I'd rather Ike and Robin than Ike and Chrom.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:37:42 PM by Enlong

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#31553: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:36:43 PM

Holiday of this year is looking pretty likely.

What part of "nearing completion" and "as soon as possible" suggest it will take an entire year? This summer seems much more likely.

He's one of the DLC characters

And he's downloadable as a character anyway.

If you're going to get that specific, that's technically not Marth. I mean, it sort of is, but it's not the same physical person. It's Marth as he was for a moment in time, as represented by the spirit of a card. The DLC is weird. Also, it's DLC, not part of the game proper.

Marth doesn't appear in Awakening at all?

That's not Marth.

a suggestion instead of a rule

Exactly. This is what I've been saying.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:37:24 PM by BadWolf21

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#31554: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:37:35 PM

Ike is also yet another sword user who does not behave like he does in game.

I would place higher odds on Chrom of all people then Ike, since Awakening is still recent enough to draw in sales.

Heck, even Michia would be a better option.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#31555: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:38:29 PM

He is probaly going to be cycled out for another firemblem rep since the series has 2000 charecters, to keep things more fair

Cutting Ike, the only lord besides Marth to be the star of more than one game, is "more fair"? What.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#31556: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:38:36 PM

Micaiah is exactly as recent as Ike is. She was created later, but her last starring role is the same as Ike's last starring role.

edit:

On Ike being he only other character with more than one starring role; that is true, but I think a character having more interesting abilities hat would make a fun fighter to play as should be a stronger deciding factor.

Thankfully for Ike, he's also got that.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:39:57 PM by Enlong

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31557: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:39:15 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'm mostly saying that it will definitely come out sometime this year.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:39:40 PM by Kostya

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#31558: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:40:19 PM

Well yeah. That's what the "2014" in the first trailer was meant to indicate. :P

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#31559: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:40:23 PM

And he's downloadable as a character anyway. The point is that Marth does indeed appear in the game and that's all that matters.

So then Yoshi could have been revealed on the release of the Yoshi's Island Zone DLC for Sonic Lost World?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#31560: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:41:21 PM

Sakurai didn't switch out Fire Emblem characters, though.

He put more work into Ike first since he brought something unique with his playstyle.

Roy was already planned to be playable. But he couldn't finish him in time. That's the only reason Roy didn't make it in Brawl. He couldn't have been switched out. He had character data, showing he was meant to be there.

Shadow?
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#31561: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:42:09 PM

Personally, I would've liked for both Shadow Dragon and Awakening to be linked from Marth's page.

Like: "Want to know more about Marth? Visit the official page for Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon! Want more Fire Emblem? Visit the official page for Fire Emblem: Awakening!"

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31562: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:42:20 PM

[up][up][up][up]I know but some people seem to think it will be delayed to 2015. Fortunately it looks like this won't happen.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:42:28 PM by Kostya

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#31564: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:43:01 PM

[up][up][up][up] You know, I've been meaning to bring that up. You're making a very big assumption about dummied out data whenever you use that as evidence. Unless you actually have a first-hand source, that could just as easily be junk code for characters that were planned initially and then cut for reasons other than deadlines.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:43:24 PM by BadWolf21

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#31565: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:44:09 PM

Okay, so there must be something else we can blame Nintendo for. Like announcing a new Super Smash Bros game before Sora wanted to. In this case the torches and pitch forks would be slightly disproportionate and very belated but lets take em out anyway! Our mob should storm the next Seattle Mariners game and hold hostages on the ransom Nintendo hears our grievances.

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#31566: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:45:12 PM

[up] Nah.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#31567: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:45:35 PM

Ok, on the topic of characters, and because the thread is once again devolving into a debate over fire emblem characters, anyone else want Hawlucha to be in the next one, even as an assist trophy?

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#31568: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:46:22 PM

I think Pac-Man should be in it. I think he should make the waka waka noise whenever he moves and his final smash makes everyone blue.

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#31569: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:47:28 PM

Maybe I missed something, but why does Nintendo need to receive any blame? Some people are just obsessively stubborn workaholics and won't stop working on something even when it's hurting them in the long run.

[up][up]Hawlucha would be an interesting Pokeball Assist, I must admit. I don't think any Pokemon is an Assist Trophy though.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:48:46 PM by Customer

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31570: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:48:14 PM

[up][up][up]He'd be interesting but if we're getting a gen 6 rep it will probably be Sylveon.

An assist trophy that does Flying Press would be cool though.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:48:29 PM by Kostya

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#31571: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:48:24 PM

Holiday of this year is looking pretty likely.

I'm really hoping for Q4.

[up][up][up][up]You mean Pokéball Pokémon. Because they don't get Assist Trophies.

edited 4th Jan '14 7:49:26 PM by MagcargoMan

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
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#31573: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:49:05 PM

Hawlucha would be hilarious. Especially if he leaps out ad slams into someone with Flying Press.

Even if Flying Press is a really pointelss move in the actual game, it's still his signaure, and hilariously fun.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#31574: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:49:44 PM

[up][up]Isn't Holiday in the middle of year in America?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#31575: Jan 4th 2014 at 7:50:29 PM

Nintendo doesn't need any blame indeed. Silly complaint.

And other than Dixie Kong(she couldn't be made to work with Diddy), there is no explanation for why those characters were not finished in the data. Being that the game was pushed back twice, and we know for a fact most of the development was done on the SSE instead of anywhere else, it's the closest explanation we have that makes any logical sense. It's possible for other reasons, but I can't see any that matters. Clones clearly wouldn't be a reason with some already coming back anyway, so that means nothing for Roy whatsoever. And it doesn't explain Mewtwo either. I'd love it if Sakurai gave us more information.

But it's the most accurate we're going to get for why they didn't get finished overall.

Shadow?

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