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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31326: Dec 31st 2013 at 9:50:10 AM

Are Marth and Ike the same?

Technically speaking, wouldn't axe character be same as Ike anyway? I mean, slow moving hit hard type of character? :P Otherwise it'd be rather inaccurate to the series.

Also people keep forgetting that Robin also has variable body type. From small and child like to tall and burly :P

edited 31st Dec '13 9:51:33 AM by SpookyMask

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#31327: Dec 31st 2013 at 9:52:12 AM

You could say Ike is inaccurate in that sense since he wasn't actually a glacier in his own game.

And besides, Glacier doesn't always mean Ike clone. Ganondorf and Ike aren't the same, are they?

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31328: Dec 31st 2013 at 9:57:14 AM

Nay, but Ganondorf doesn't happen to use a weapon either tongue

Besides, thats actually good point, don't we already have enough of glaciers?

Imca (Veteran)
#31329: Dec 31st 2013 at 9:59:51 AM

Axes have a diffrent swing pattren then swords, plus they only really deal damage at the tip, both of those could be used.

Maybe soke damage through blocks if you need more

Edit : Bowser and Ganandorf are the only ones you can call with certanty

edited 31st Dec '13 10:00:59 AM by Imca

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#31330: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:00:26 AM

Let's see, Bowser, Ganondorf, Ike, arguably Dedede, maybe Wario, maybe Snake...not really.

It's a lot more than can be said for other fighters, at any rate.

edited 31st Dec '13 10:01:35 AM by Nap1100

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#31331: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:01:16 AM

There's also hand-axes to be used as projectiles.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31332: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:02:50 AM

^^^How many of Ike's attack involve stabbing or using one hand anyway? You could replace Ragnel with an axe and difference wouldn't really be big :P

^And Ragnel has sword beams but that never appeared.

edited 31st Dec '13 10:03:27 AM by SpookyMask

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#31333: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:05:25 AM

Okay, now it seems like your point is that it's possible for them to be the same. Which might be true.

It's also possible for them not to be the same.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31334: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:08:51 AM

And I don't really see the point of having there be axe using character just because.

Heck, you could make same argument for lance using character :P Or are those just harder to imagine because most of them are cavaliers?

Imca (Veteran)
#31335: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:11:43 AM

Its used the second, only one lance weilding lord, who is in a series odball of a game.

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#31336: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:11:44 AM

And I don't want all te characters to be sword wielders just because.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#31337: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:13:50 AM

I also want Hector because he's my favorite Lord personality-wise, so yeah.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31338: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:15:32 AM

I don't really think we even need more Fire Emblem characters tongue And I don't really see Hector as interesting fighting game character.

Imca (Veteran)
#31339: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:15:35 AM

[up][up] there is that too.

I mean if we dip into non main charecters you can find Nepheen who is well liked I guess.

But what are her odds...

[up] More then one is needed, given seris popularity

edited 31st Dec '13 10:18:44 AM by Imca

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#31340: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:18:24 AM

I'm curious, what do you have to say on the classes an weapon types that aren't among the main three melee weapons? I'll just pass over the discussion of spears for a few reasons.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#31341: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:22:47 AM

Well then you have Celica, Micaiah, and Robin/Avatar pretty much. The first is from a Gaiden Game that no one really cares about even in the Japanese fandom, the second is a bit of a Base Breaker from a game that already has a rep in Smash, and Robin is the one who always seems to cause the arguments on this topic.

Did I cover everything?

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31342: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:25:20 AM

Just would like to point out that while second game in the series is called Fire Emblem Gaiden, it is part of main series and not spin off or any kind of side game :P Its just side story to first game plotwise since they take place in same world but different continent and they share few characters.

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#31343: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:26:03 AM

Its used the second, only one lance weilding lord, who is in a series odball of a game.

Chrom uses lances if he upgrades to Great Lord.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31344: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:27:15 AM

Yes, but Chrom not using Falchion would be like Ike not using Ragnel.

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#31345: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:28:45 AM

I don't mean he should replace Falchion with a lance. I just mean lances could be incorporated into his moveset. Like, as a ranged attack or even an alternate melee attack.

Why does autocorrect keep changing lances to glances?

edited 31st Dec '13 10:29:32 AM by Zarek

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#31346: Dec 31st 2013 at 10:59:34 AM

I just googled 'Nintendo Land Monita' and good god what-
I made that mistake too. Apparently, Google removed their SafeSearch restrictions O_o

Hey, how do you guys think the Wii U gamepad and the 3DS touchscreen will be utilized in the game?

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#31347: Dec 31st 2013 at 11:00:15 AM

You can do things with an Ax that you cannot with a sword and back because they are different shaped objects with different distributions of weight. Even looking beyond the way you hit things with them you are not going to drop or cut yourself with an ax the way you can with a sword. Not as much as in real life, due to the magic of hit boxes but turning Ragnell into a big ax is going to inherently change things or make Ike look incredibly awkward and disbelieving when he waves it around (yes, I say that in perfect knowledge of his throw the sword-jump catch it-slam down animation) It is the same reason why you generally do not want to arbitrarily turn a sniper rifle into an AK 47, or a frag round into a concussion one(oh wait)

But beyond inherent changes in gameplay, be they meaningful or not (Smash Bros is toys on a table top after all) people just want variety. Mario fighting Link on Shadow Moses Island is not just charming because it is two characters people know to the backdrop of Metal Gears but also because Mario moves, handles and behaves in a manner completely contrasted to Link and they clash not just with each other but with the island. There are lot of different conventions going on between Diddy Kong, Squirtle and the Frigate Orpheon, between Samus, Snake and the Seventy Five Meter Construction zone.

There is inherently less of that when half a dozen characters are primarily hitting things with swords. Okay, most of them are still using very different weapons or styles (except for the Links and Marth's style would be roughly the same according to his games of origin) but the Ice Climbers have hammers, Samus has a suit of powered armor, Pikachu is an electricity discharging rodent and Yoshi is a frog tongued dinosaur that throws exploding eggs.

That is the same reason "third party characters like Snake" are requested. Personally I do not want them, though I liked Snake in Brawl, but I understand why because I liked Snake in Brawl. His much less exaggerated appearance, cynical attitude and fighting style brought something new to the Smash Bros circus and the much higher degree of Like Reality, Unless Noted instantly helped the other Metal Gear elements stand out. (I think Nintendo actually has its own properties that could fill the niche Snake provides but Sakurai opted not to use them, that I would rather see Nintendo use its own properties is why I am not requesting more third party slots of that vein or third party slots in general)

Really, I just want as much variation as can be gotten out of Nintendo's library. The less like what is already around the better. Yes, the swordsmen can be different from each other but an ax will be even more so. The cartoony and heavily stylized characters are not interchangeable but subdued and grizzled types still standout more at this point. Heroes and neutral characters are okay but I want to see more villains. (Well we are getting more females this time around, so Sakurai himself seems to share these feelings on some level)

edited 31st Dec '13 11:26:08 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31348: Dec 31st 2013 at 11:06:59 AM

Speaking of frags, it ''is'' bit annoying how grenades in fiction seem to be more about explosions than sharp shrapnel shredding you into tiny pieces tongue Thats like totally inaccurate. The explosive ones are meant to be used inside hallways!

edited 31st Dec '13 11:07:23 AM by SpookyMask

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31349: Dec 31st 2013 at 11:09:17 AM

I feel like we should just make a separate "Fire Emblem in Super Smash Bros" thread, what with how often that franchise overtakes this thread for several pages at a time.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#31350: Dec 31st 2013 at 11:16:28 AM

I'm slow, sorry, but I just saw a post by sakurai with a shot of luma, pikachu, and starfy . He neither confirmed nor denied whether starfy was a playable character


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