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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#31076: Dec 30th 2013 at 5:15:47 AM

[up]Ignore it. It's like that Rosalina fallacy. Outrageous statements said as fact when they aren't.

[up][up]No, but he did give him half-a**ed specials that are very obviously Fox's with some spins on them.

[up][up][up]You know I called it out too, right?

[up][up][up][up]The thing is, Roy is a one-shot Lord, while Ike is the only lord besides Marth himself to be the star of more than one game.

EDIT: Stupid pagetopper.

edited 30th Dec '13 5:19:06 AM by MagcargoMan

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#31077: Dec 30th 2013 at 6:43:49 AM

Well, a lot of FE lords are one-shot, due to the way the series is set up. Only a few games have direct sequels.

I'd personally go with Ike and Robin, to have a more "heavy" sword wielder, and a magic wielder. Ideally, there'd be room for Hector as well, but that's not gonna happen.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#31078: Dec 30th 2013 at 7:17:04 AM

[up]Thing is, Marth is the more likely one NOT to get replaced.

I would be fine with Ike getting the boot, if only because I could never seem to win when my friend plays him.

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#31079: Dec 30th 2013 at 7:27:04 AM

I meant Ike and Robin in addition to Marth, who we already know is in.

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TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#31080: Dec 30th 2013 at 8:55:01 AM

On the bright side, he DIDN'T make Wolf a clone. So we have that.

Really? Because he always seemed like a Fox clone to me.

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31081: Dec 30th 2013 at 8:58:44 AM

Wolf was pretty much "Fox, but slower and with slightly more power and an arguably worse blaster."

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#31082: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:03:46 AM

B-moves don't define a clone. The Specials+Final Smash are spoofs of Fox's, sure, but the throws, aerials, smashes, tilts? All different.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#31083: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:04:33 AM

Wolf is similar to Fox and clearly based on him, but I personally don't think of him as a clone. His B moves are all slightly different, and his A moves are completely different. He plays distinctly enough that I feel calling him a clone is inaccurate.

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edited 30th Dec '13 9:05:02 AM by Zarek

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31084: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:07:27 AM

Eh, B-moves are a pretty damn important part of a Smash character's arsenal. Their A-moves are usually just things that more or less any character in any fighting game can do. Their special moves? Those are what make them unique.

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#31085: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:19:08 AM

He has 5 similar moves and 18 incomparable ones. He's even less of a clone than Lucas.

Hm... I'd like to retract a previous statement. At the risk of driving Hector fans back to the corner of woe, my ideal 4-man Fire Emblem representation is actually Marth, Ike, Tiki, and Robin.

edited 30th Dec '13 9:20:08 AM by Enlong

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EviIPaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
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#31086: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:20:46 AM

*sobs incoherently at the understanding that Hector and Ephraim are never gonna get in*

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TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#31087: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:22:55 AM

and his A moves are completely different.

Why, because he clawed at people instead of punching them?

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#31088: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:28:57 AM

His jab combo is a three-step combo that moves him forward and finishes with a bit of launching power. Fox and Falco's are rapid-fire attacks with no endpoint.

Wolf's dash attack strikes above him and launches the enemy up. Fox and Falco strike only forward and launch that way.

Wolf's down smash strikes each side of him in turn, and the first hit will knock targets into the second. Fox and Falco do a single hit that strikes both sides simultaneously.

Wolf's neutral air is a spin that hits all sides around him. Fox and Falco focus on one spot, not hitting above or behind.

I could go on.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#31089: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:34:33 AM

Kind of funny how Sakurai kept him out of Melee for the purpose of not designating him as a clone, yet the debate over whether or not he is one is a consistently open topic more than an entire installment later. tongue

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31090: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:38:40 AM

Thing about Robin is that hes/shes isn't a set character since hes/she is customizable and having him/her have hood all the time doesn't sound like a thing they would do :P

Really, I don't think they should do magic lord just because. But if they would, they should rather use Celica(sp?) since she isn't customizable.

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#31091: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:41:33 AM

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#31092: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:41:53 AM

[up][up] We have Villager, your argument is invalid.

edited 30th Dec '13 9:42:08 AM by TPPR10

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#31093: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:42:26 AM

I didn't know that the Wii Fit Trainer was a customizable character with a large number of potential appearances.

Yeah, Villager would have been a better retort.

(For the record, I don't think that Robin would work either, but eh)

edited 30th Dec '13 9:43:02 AM by Otherarrow

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#31094: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:45:52 AM

^^Yeah, but Villager is generic player character stand in tongue Robin does have established personality but no established gender or appearance or even body type.

edited 30th Dec '13 9:46:39 AM by SpookyMask

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31095: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:46:36 AM

I wasn't aware people cared so much about A-moves.

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EviIPaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
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#31096: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:46:58 AM

Wait... What? Did anyone else just see those goalposts get up and run?

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#31097: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:48:14 AM

[up] U wut m8?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#31098: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:49:33 AM

I whr m9

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#31099: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:49:35 AM

[up][up][up] Like this?

[up] and [up][up]I don't even know what you just said.

edited 30th Dec '13 9:49:50 AM by Odd1

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#31100: Dec 30th 2013 at 9:53:21 AM

Talking about Wolf being a clone is like talking about whether wavedashing is a glitch. Every person knows all the facts, but we get hung up over our definitions of specific words.

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