TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Super Smash Bros.

Go To

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31051: Dec 29th 2013 at 1:01:10 PM

I like it, though I'd have made her neutral-B be the shotgun-like burst of Phazon (Or at least be chargeable to become that), and her Up-B be her meteor impact move (Rising up off the ground, then crashing downward at a 45-degree angle, with the rise being recovery and the crash being cancelable like Dedede's).

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#31052: Dec 29th 2013 at 1:36:35 PM

No, Captain Falcon could not "Falcon punch" in his own game. I found it kind of strange he had super powers rather than a gun or something (especially, since at the time of the first Smash Bros I thought Metroid and F-Zero took place in the same setting)

But Captain Falcon's move set is a lot more varied and interesting. All half his actions are not "turn fist into burning bird". He has has the fiery uppercut dash/spike to the depths, the rapid slide/diving kick and the ability to bounce people off his crotch with the force to cause an explosion that flips himself over, twice(YES!). (And the rapid jabs, the knee of justice, the elbow trust, ect) The thing with Zero Suit Samus is that outside of the two moves that come from her own game (which is really just one move turned into two due to the way Smash Bros controls) everything else she does is some variation of kicking or whipping and there often is not even much distinctive to any given action. (Her tether and smash B are practically identical, for example).

It is not just that Zero Suit has no bearing on the Metroid Series but that its is also pretty bland. The most standout moves are throws which could still have been given to any character with human proportions. Captain Falcon's moveset actually is that of an original character whom for whatever reason, Sakurai did not see as too clashing with Captain Falcon (he has yet to use his gun in his own games and plenty of characters do have super powers, as F-zero has been a parody of Superheroes since X on the Nintendo 64, which would have been the entry most likely to be on people's mind around ''Super Smash Bros'''s release)

So honestly no, Captain Falcon's moveset still is not as boring as Zero Suit Samus's, nor is his player character spot as baffling. (The biggest question mark is his campy behavior, Falcon's somewhat stoic in X&GX)

Anyway, the "change forms after final Smash" mechanic seems like it was made for Metroid Prime-Dark Samus, considering that is essentially what happens in the trilogy. (Samus destroys Metroid Primes weapons and armour, which causes it to assume its true form, which then mutates out of control and eventually spawns Dark Samus, who eventually dissipates in a last ditch effort to kill Samus. At this point repeat the process. There is even canon basis for it since shed skins identical to Prime's armor are found in Prime 3 prior to the final Dark Samus fight.

Weavel, he would probably be the easiest hunter to adapt, as it has already pointed out his moveset could just be padded with generic space pirate stuff and he (probably) is still alive, unlike some otherwise viable choices. Less likely but Sylux has some build up as The Rival to Samus and Trace is part of empire begging for some fleshing out. The Prime 3 hunters admittedly did not show up until a year before Brawl's release (never mind Roy did not show up until ''after'' Melee's) but all have easy moveset potential and Gandrayda is Metroid's actual She-Fu fan service fighter. (Not even trying to suggest any aside from Metroid Prime/Dark Samus would be ideal choices but they would all be better representatives than Zero Suit Samus).

edit:It seems Prime 3 actually came out before Brawl, my bad

edited 29th Dec '13 3:13:08 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

Buldogue's lawyer
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31053: Dec 29th 2013 at 1:42:23 PM

As has been posted a lot of times before: Gandrayda could transform into the other hunters and pirates, why not include her with that as her trait?

Edit:[down]Yes. Wasn't their excuse for not including them that the Human Torch couldn't be included without tanking the framerate?

edited 29th Dec '13 3:04:32 PM by LordofLore

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#31054: Dec 29th 2013 at 2:18:01 PM

[up]So include her in a similar manner to Super Skrull? (Who, due to having the powers of all four Fantastic Four members, was the reason they weren't included.)

edited 29th Dec '13 2:18:47 PM by NesClassic

🏳️‍⚧️she/her | Vio Rhyse Alberia
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31055: Dec 29th 2013 at 7:42:39 PM

They had reasons for excluding all four of the Fantastic Four, and Super Skrull was the solution by being all four basically. Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman lacked moveset options, Thing was too much like Hulk, and Human Torch ate up RAM.

Supposedly.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#31056: Dec 29th 2013 at 7:43:51 PM

Like hell someone with Mr. Fantastic's power lacked moveset options. Or maybe I'm just biased.

I have a message from another time...
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31057: Dec 29th 2013 at 7:45:20 PM

I think that was the reason. I know one of them was no moveset option, but I forget if it was one of those two or both of them.

This aside, I'd rather Ridley or Dark Samus before Gandrayda.

edited 29th Dec '13 7:45:47 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#31058: Dec 29th 2013 at 7:46:14 PM

How could someone who could create objects in any shape she wanted lack moveset options?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31059: Dec 29th 2013 at 7:47:24 PM

The idea of either of them lacking a moveset is more than a little iffy, but then during development Killian did also make some comments about other characters (like reducing Iron Fist and Ghost Rider to "punchy guys," that being the reason why they weren't (initially) in) that showed they may have just taken some characters at face value.

They probably did that quite a bit: look at a character first to see if they want to give them a shot, then look them up to find out what they can do. Something similar to that was how Shuma Gorath was picked way back in Marvel Super Heroes.

edited 29th Dec '13 7:57:51 PM by KnownUnknown

TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#31060: Dec 29th 2013 at 7:51:28 PM

Maybe it's less Mr. Fantastic lacking a moveset and more he uses his brain a lot more than he uses his actual stretchy powers, which might have have made it more difficult if they were looking to go with a more accurate representation of the character.

Granted, I don't read a lot of F4, but I can't say I'm all that familiar with many circumstances where Mr. Fantastic has gotten all that creative with his powers to actually fight crime.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#31061: Dec 29th 2013 at 8:06:31 PM

but a generic Kremling when there's King K Rool

Both, dude.

In an ideal world, with unlimited space and resources for characters, Donkey Kong has minimum five viable Kongs, and really only one individual Kremling (with three personalities, granted, but it's still the same guy). But if you throw in a Kritter, Klump, and Krusha, you suddenly have a more balanced and diverse cast.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#31062: Dec 29th 2013 at 8:43:18 PM

I'd be fine with only K. Rool for Kremlings.

I have a message from another time...
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#31063: Dec 29th 2013 at 8:50:19 PM

Why? There's nothing wrong with using generic enemies if they have viable and interesting movesets.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31064: Dec 29th 2013 at 11:25:15 PM

I'd rather have K. Rool before a generic Kremling.

The only real DK characters I see as being feasible right now are Dixie, Rool, and to a lesser extent Cranky, and of those three I'd like K. Rool the most.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#31065: Dec 29th 2013 at 11:29:05 PM

Well obviously K. Rool would be before a generic enemy. But that doesn't make a Kremling any less viable.

Frankly, the most viable candidate for a third DK rep is, in my opinion, Funky. He's built like a street fighter, which could lend itself to an interesting aesthetic.

edited 29th Dec '13 11:29:12 PM by BadWolf21

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31066: Dec 30th 2013 at 12:12:30 AM

Funky seems less likely than Dixie, at least. Funky has never actually had a fighting role, being exclusively an NPC in Donkey Kong games or a racer/player in Mario spinoffs.

He does however, have a pretty large Japanese following, probably moreso than Rool, so he does have popularity going for him.

Rool seems somewhat unlikely thanks to being fairly out of the spotlight compared to the recently-relevant Dixie and the popular Funky, but he's still my preferred choice.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#31067: Dec 30th 2013 at 12:39:01 AM

To be honest, during Brawl I would have said yes to Dark Samus, but since then PSASBR came out, and it had Evil Cole. I think that kind of left a sour taste in some people's mouth.

The sad thing is, despite Playstation All-Stars getting so many things wrong, they actually didn't make Evil Cole a clone. With the exception of his Level 1 Super, he has a completely different moveset from Good Cole.

Which is why I think the reasoning for Toon Link being a clone is p***-poor...

Because that is what I am arguing. When folks not familiar with the Prime games see Dark Samus, they don't see "Metroid Prime in a vaguely Samus shape", they see "evil version of Samus ala Dark Link". It doesn't matter if they are separate beings in the game, as dumb folks are going to assume that they are just evil replicas and thus identical in terms of abilities.
Heck, reading through this thread, someone claiming Dark Samus would just be a clone of Samus has come up almost every time Dark Samus has come up for consideration and you lot have had to explain otherwise.

You see, the thing is, even if she is different and has different abilities, Sakurai would probably resort to making her a clone (with a different Final Smash, but still).

He made Lucas a clone. He made Falco a clone. He made freakin' Ganondorf a clone. What makes you think he wouldn't make Dark Samus a clone?

If people are really too stupid to realize Dark Samus isn't the same character as Samus, or at least do SOME research into it before concluding that they're the same, they shouldn't be playing this game anyway.

Wow... Just wow...

@beorc - Sounds good, man. I especially like the Dashing Screw Attack move and Phazon Barrier.

If I could add some suggestions though, I think the Ball Spin aerial should be infused with Phazon, and the Reverse Kick aerial should be powerful. Maybe make oppponents get caught in the beam for a split-second if they are hit by Phazon Beam? And I'm not really a fan of "Summon other enemies to attack as if they are Smashers" FS suggestions.

It is not just that Zero Suit has no bearing on the Metroid Series

I guess Zero Mission is a non-existant entry in the franchise?

So honestly no, Captain Falcon's moveset still is not as boring as Zero Suit Samus's, nor is his player character spot as baffling.

That wasn't even the point. The point was you said that Zero Suit Samus had moves she never had in her own game, and I pointed out Falcon Punch.

In an ideal world, with unlimited space and resources for characters, Donkey Kong has minimum five viable Kongs, and really only one individual Kremling (with three personalities, granted, but it's still the same guy). But if you throw in a Kritter, Klump, and Krusha, you suddenly have a more balanced and diverse cast.

If you're gonna use that reasoning, we might as well make rosters with 200 characters. Seriously, that's a massive cop-out. I could use that reasoning to justify any character inclusion.

Seriously, generic Kritter, Klump, Krusha? And you claim Lucario shouldn't come back...

Why? There's nothing wrong with using generic enemies if they have viable and interesting movesets.

Okay. Show us why Klump and Krusha are so unique compared to the other Mighty Glaciers.

Frankly, the most viable candidate for a third DK rep is, in my opinion, Funky.

No.

Rool seems somewhat unlikely thanks to being fairly out of the spotlight compared to the recently-relevant Dixie and the popular Funky

The implication here that Dixie is only important here for being in Tropical Freeze or that she should be in more than K Rool because of Tropical Freeze disgusts me.

edited 30th Dec '13 1:54:48 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Wants Captain N for SSBU
#31068: Dec 30th 2013 at 2:15:59 AM

Okay, here's something that hasn't been done yet.

Reveal trailers!

Let's speculate potential reveal trailers for new characters! I've already got one ready.

Okay, so imagine this. You see the Nintendo of America office, and something like, "No A office, 9 AM". Somewhere on a desk is Non-Specific Action Figure. Then we see Reggie, behind a computer, saying something like, "Oh no." And then we see shifty eyes.

Screen blacks out.

Then we see the site he's been to, and it apparently is an online poll. Reggie has been using multiple e-mail addresses from Nintendo to actually sign this poll! But wait, whose poll is it?

Finally you see Reggie straighten his suit, as everything around him digitizes, including himself.

Reggie
His body is ready

And then a bunch of gameplay footage

Finally, at the stinger he exclaims, " I'm about takin' names, and I'm about to kick your-"

SUPER SMASH BROS. FOR 3DS - SUPER SMASH BROS. FOR Wii U

edited 30th Dec '13 6:00:25 PM by GaryCXJk

Signatures are for lamers.
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#31069: Dec 30th 2013 at 2:20:56 AM

[up]You may not realise this, but that took time to go and read all the posts I missed out on, find what I needed to reply to, and type my own replies. I don't appreciate not so subtly changing the topic to get people to ignore it.

Also, why would Reggie say "Oh no" if he got in when he's voting for himself with multiple emails?

edited 30th Dec '13 4:38:28 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Wants Captain N for SSBU
#31070: Dec 30th 2013 at 2:45:27 AM

He first says, "Oh no," then thinks up the plan to sign the petition himself multiple times, then gets the shifty eyes, and then actually puts his plan into action.

Signatures are for lamers.
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#31071: Dec 30th 2013 at 4:45:54 AM

If people are really too stupid to realize Dark Samus isn't the same character as Samus, or at least do SOME research into it before concluding that they're the same, they shouldn't be playing this game anyway.
Gee, thanks, I'm so glad you think I shouldn't be playing Smash solely because I don't play Metroid.

For the record, I always thought Dark Link was an original creation of Melee.

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#31072: Dec 30th 2013 at 4:46:42 AM

I have been wondering a bit what will happen to Ike. On one hand, he is probably popular enough to be put into Brawl just because. On other hand, he replaced Roy, who was there to probably just to advertise Binding Blade, which came out after Melee.

Only sometimes posts
beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#31073: Dec 30th 2013 at 4:58:50 AM

[up][up]Still a bit of an exaggeration, perhaps, but I think Anomalocaris was referring particularly to people who would accuse Dark Samus of being "undeserving" and "identical to Samus" without knowing anything about it.

edited 30th Dec '13 4:59:02 AM by beorc

Welcome to th:|
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#31074: Dec 30th 2013 at 5:04:06 AM

You see, the thing is, even if she is different and has different abilities, Sakurai would probably resort to making her a clone (with a different Final Smash, but still).
...fair point, actually.

On the bright side, he DIDN'T make Wolf a clone. So we have that.

On the topic of K. Rool, would anyone object to him being a grappler of sorts? I'm not sure how well a grappler's schtick would translate into Super Smash Bros., though.

🏳️‍⚧️she/her | Vio Rhyse Alberia
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#31075: Dec 30th 2013 at 5:12:22 AM

[up][up]Still, it's not the most illogical of assumptions. How is anyone without any experience with the franchise supposed to know?

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.

Total posts: 148,710
Top