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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30976: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:15:38 PM

Palette Swap

No enirely. Her hair style also changes, same as with the Boomerang Suit.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30977: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:16:16 PM

If Brawl really needed someone to shake their latex covered ass at the camera they could have just used someone known for that kind of thing

But he already put Snake in the game.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30978: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:20:27 PM

That's not fair.

...I'm prety sure the Sneaking Suit isn't latex, per se.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30979: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:24:32 PM

I don't buy it. I would gladly take any random bounty hunter as a tradeoff for Zero Suit Samus or even a character from a different series

Metroid is a series that has been around for over 25 years and has twelve games. It's been constantly underrepped in Smash. No cuts are need. It deserves at least three slots.

I could see if it was used as a joke or maybe even in a fanservice scene akin to the Metroid's endgame win screens but putting it on equal footing with Samus is a step too far.

It's meant to rep the concept of Samus outside her suit in Smash. Prior to that, there was only a trophy of Samus without her helmet on.

It helps that you can actually play as Zero Suit Samus in a Metroid game.

He did not go so far against any other character's defining gimmick.

*cough* Sheik *cough*

or maybe have just made one up and said "future release/Japan only".

Are you really advocating OCs for the sake of Fanservice?

Dropping Falco? I guess I would not mind too much but like with Sheik, I still find Zero Suit being far more jarring. Falco's at least been playable in more or less equal standing to Fox three times outside of Super Smash Bros.

You did read the whole "costume makes him still technically playable part and helps prevent roster imbalance" and all that crap, right?

[up][up][up]Simply adding a ponytail does not warrant a costume. It's not different enough. That's like making Fox's alt just adding a pair of shades.

edited 29th Dec '13 2:05:02 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30980: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:31:59 PM

I'd love a costume where Fox is wearing shades.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30981: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:37:09 PM

[Metroid's] been constantly underrepped in Smash.

Maybe because it doesn't really have that many noticeable characters? Like, outside of Ridley and lets say that Samus and ZSS are one character, can you name two characters who are noticeable enough to be put into Smash? I think there has been something that the character has to have at least two games worth of figthing roles to be put into Smash (in most cases). I might be wrong on that, but keep that in mind.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30982: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:40:24 PM

I think there has been something that the character has to have at least two games worth of figthing roles to be put into Smash

Sheik.

Ice Climbers.

Peach (at the time of Melee).

Pit (grey area, from a Japanese perspective only)

Ness. Lucas.

Roy.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#30983: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:41:10 PM

[up][up]Which explains a great deal why Ridley is so popular as a character choice. The list is basically two characters and three movesets deep.

edited 28th Dec '13 11:41:33 PM by Pulse

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#30984: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:42:35 PM

If one is open o one-time characters, then there are some of the Hunters from Hunters or Corruption one could look at as well.

That's about it, though.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30985: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:42:49 PM

There's also Dark Samus/Metroid Prime.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#30986: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:47:53 PM

I've always advocated a generic Space Pirate be playable.

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#30987: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:51:10 PM

Peach (at the time of Melee).

Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario RPG.

Besides, I put "In most cases) for that reason.

Also, there is the case of notability. Sure, Fire Emblem series might deserve more characters, but are there any really notable characters from the series which would warrant a spot aside of those who we ahve?

edited 28th Dec '13 11:51:56 PM by TPPR10

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#30988: Dec 28th 2013 at 11:53:08 PM

Mother Brain 4 smash for

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#30989: Dec 29th 2013 at 12:02:07 AM

*cough* Sheik *cough*
Sheik was never Zelda's death animation. Sheik was a weird thing to do with her moveset I will admit but Sheik showed how capable and resourceful Zelda was. Zelda did not become Sheik as a sign of how helpless she had become. When Tiny Mario or Bunny Rabbit Link are pushed as viable alternate forms then there might be something comparable.

As for OC for fan service? No, that was not my first suggestion, but I would rather have it than such jarring derail of Samus. For all anyone knew, Roy was an original character because he was in Melee before any other game. Push comes to shove, Nintendo could throw a character in and then release a game with them in it later because they have already done it. In a collaboration it may end up being more interesting in the long run anyway. Beyond not liking Zero Suit in principle, the moveset is pretty bland and confusing. Half of her actions involve the whip which was never used ever and one of her specials generic back flip/Inzuna kick.

(Might as well have just used Izuna but even an original character I imagine would have a more varied,original, set of moves)

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30990: Dec 29th 2013 at 12:18:31 AM

I'd love a costume where Fox is wearing shades.

That's boring. That's a waste of a good costume. Costumes shouldn't be wasted on piddly minor differences that make the costume look 90% the same as the default.

Maybe because it doesn't really have that many noticeable characters? Like, outside of Ridley and lets say that Samus and ZSS are one character, can you name two characters who are noticeable enough to be put into Smash? I think there has been something that the character has to have at least two games worth of figthing roles to be put into Smash (in most cases). I might be wrong on that, but keep that in mind.

It doesn't justify cutting Zero Suit Samus. That's the whole reason brought up Metroid being underrepped. It's a reason to not cut her.

And like Enlong said "If one is open o one-time characters, then there are some of the Hunters from Hunters or Corruption one could look at as well." So most likely Sylux for being the most popular of the Hunters and the possibilty of that ship at Metroid Prime 3's ending being the Delano 7 make it slightly more prominent than the other Hunters.

Ice Climbers.
Ness. Lucas.

Ice Climbers only has one game, and there's no other characters besides them in it. Why the heck do you even think that's a fair comparison?

And each Mother game has a different protagonist. And there's only three games. The only ones who I can think of that have been in more than one game are Giygas and Porky; Giygas is an Eldritch Abomination cloud-face thing that wouldn't work, and Porky can't fight without his Spider-mech, which is too big.

Why am I even responding to this? It's so inane in how unfair these comparisons are.

I've always advocated a generic Space Pirate be playable.

Keyword here is "Generic".

When Tiny Mario or Bunny Rabbit Link are pushed as viable alternate forms then there might be something comparable.

You really don't give her enough credit.

No, that was not my first suggestion, but I would rather have it than such jarring derail of Samus.

Derail? Samus being like that has been a thing in the ending of almost all the games.

Beyond not liking Zero Suit in principle

I don't really care about her either, but doesn't mean Metroid needs a cut.

the moveset is pretty bland and confusing.

Movesets can change, you know.

Half of her actions involve the whip which was never used ever

Kinda like how Captain Falcon could Falcon Punch before he was in Smash Bros, right?

edited 29th Dec '13 12:36:04 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#30991: Dec 29th 2013 at 12:48:44 AM

To be fair, Peach was apparently never able to slap before Mario RPG. Because slapping is apparently something that people are incapable of doing without it being a special action.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30992: Dec 29th 2013 at 12:51:39 AM

[up]That's not even comparable to Falcon Punch...

EDIT: Yes, I know the second part was sarcastic, but the first part wasn't.

edited 29th Dec '13 12:56:22 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#30993: Dec 29th 2013 at 1:33:28 AM

What's wrong with generic? I see no issue with including a non-specific Space Pirate, or Kremling.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30994: Dec 29th 2013 at 1:39:01 AM

[up]Why have generic when you could have a character? Especially when "generic" has negative connotations.

Also, I kinda get why you wanted a generic enemy for Metroid (because lack of characters), but a generic Kremling when there's King K Rool? Unacceptable.

edited 29th Dec '13 1:44:05 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#30995: Dec 29th 2013 at 3:25:34 AM

My entire post there was sarcastic. Do you want me to just outright state "THAT WAS A JOKE. HA HA HA. LAUGH" after every time I make a non-serious remark? Why would I in all seriousness state that? Thinking that Peach needs to have canon basis to have the ability to slap is just stupid.

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#30997: Dec 29th 2013 at 4:02:15 AM

I don't like when people take things I say seriously when they're not meant to be serious at all. And I don't like when people try to tell me what I'm saying when I know that's not what I'm saying (e.g. "Yes, I know the second part was sarcastic, but the first part wasn't"—no, the whole thing was).

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30998: Dec 29th 2013 at 4:03:14 AM

Honestly, big-overreaction. Really, what I meant was that I wans't sure if the first part was sarcasm. I didn't notice the "apparently" part.

And I don't like when people try to tell me what I'm saying when I know that's not what I'm saying

Gee, I sure haven't others do this to me before...

edited 29th Dec '13 4:05:40 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#30999: Dec 29th 2013 at 4:06:22 AM

Don't know what to tell you, I'm fiercely protective of the words I say and how I want to be understood. And I'm very serious about being non-serious.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#31000: Dec 29th 2013 at 4:09:50 AM

It just sorta makes all those moments where you say something in small text like "I can't believe people spent three pages arguing about X" really hypocritical when you are overreacting about someone simply misunderstanding you. Geez...

edited 29th Dec '13 4:09:57 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

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