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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30801: Dec 26th 2013 at 7:36:05 PM

Well if it was summoned by Zelda it wouldn't have eyes, since she wouldn't be inside it, but it would still be under her control (explaining pink).

Either that or the assist trophy was blinking in that particular shot.

AmShigar Since: Dec, 2013
#30802: Dec 26th 2013 at 8:28:17 PM

If it's an Assist Trophy, it could be that it's color when it comes out is randomized, and possessed phantom is among the possible color sets it could have.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#30803: Dec 26th 2013 at 8:31:00 PM

That ignores the fact that it resembles Zelda's aesthetic, rather than the more appropriate Toon Link's.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#30804: Dec 26th 2013 at 8:44:19 PM

Were there any toon assist trophies in brawl?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#30805: Dec 26th 2013 at 8:44:59 PM

Nope. It was toon free. There was regular Trophies and Stickers, though.

Oh, you meant any, not new characters introduced since the Toon style. Yeah, as said below, Tingle, and that was it.

edited 26th Dec '13 8:57:31 PM by Irene

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#30806: Dec 26th 2013 at 8:49:56 PM

[up][up] Tingle was an Assist Trophy, and he was Toon-styled.

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#30807: Dec 26th 2013 at 9:43:01 PM

I think the reason why we see that Zelda's animation in the PeachxLink picture is because if you destroy the Phantom (hey, its possible), you are unable to summon it for a while. In the picture Zelda is trying to do it but fails.

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#30808: Dec 26th 2013 at 9:55:05 PM

I really can't believe the discussion for the last three pages has been about this.

I think y'all might be forgetting that canonicity to the games doesn't really matter in Smash (e.g. the MOTHER characters, the way most of the Pokemon moves work, Kirby apparently having several copy abilities simultaneously). So I don't think any of these explanations posed have any real basis to them.

Either way, if they made such a drastic change with a character that's already a two-time veteran, I'd think they'd state it rather than just shoving it into the character pictures (which are usually meant to just look either humorous or badass, and not to be overanalyzed by obsessive nerds on the internet).

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#30809: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:01:21 PM

[up][up] While that's not impossible, I think it's more plausible that it's an unrelated attack whose animation is being used for comic/dramatic effect in those screenshots, alongside other elements.

It looks mot like either her standing jab or forward smash. More like the forward smash than the standing jab.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30810: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:01:58 PM

I really can't believe you think making your text realy small means people won't notice what you say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#30811: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:07:35 PM

I only made it small so people don't only focus on it and make a bigger deal out of it than it needed to be. I'm trying to at least be slightly tactful in expressing my frustration.

I'm curious, are there any franchises with characters that we've had revealed that haven't had any stages shown off yet?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30812: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:09:17 PM

Yeah. There's much better ways to make things unseen. No, this isn't it.
this is one.

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#30813: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:10:34 PM

Can we not focus on it? I tried to change the subject for a reason.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30814: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:16:57 PM

It's definitely an independent attack: she's doing the same thing here. It's why I think it's a semi-independent summon/move.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:17:20 PM by KnownUnknown

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#30815: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:19:20 PM

Semi.. how would that work?

I really think the simplest explantion is that it's an Assist Trophy.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30816: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:26:46 PM

I'm curious, are there any franchises with characters that we've had revealed that haven't had any stages shown off yet?

Let's see: No Pokémon stage, no Donkey Kong stage, no Star Fox stage, no Kirby stage.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:26:59 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#30817: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:27:41 PM

[up][up]Yeah, Occam's Razor and all that.

[up]We've seen a handful of screenshots depicting a stage based on the ruin areas from DKCR, on the 3DS version.

After looking at the screenshot that's caused us all so much grief, I've gotta say... The Phantom has kinda stumpy legs.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:30:14 PM by Pulse

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30818: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:30:53 PM

^^^ The way most moves work in fighting games that involve summoning another character. The character does stuff, but only have a specific move/purpose, and does that while the actual character is free to do what they want.

This is in contrast to more autonomous summons, like Luma, which while under the control of the player are still more detached from the base character.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:31:39 PM by KnownUnknown

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#30819: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:32:03 PM

Luma isn't autonomous- It mimes Rosalina. The player is in exactly the same amount of control of it as Rosalina herself.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30820: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:32:17 PM

I said more autonomous, not fully autonomous. As in, not confined to a single action.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:32:44 PM by KnownUnknown

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#30821: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:33:10 PM

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Yeah, the description of the first thing is actually the more autonomous character. Which is to say, independent of direct control.

[up] That's really ot what "autonomous" means. You'd be more accurate with a word like "diverse" or "multifaceted"? ..."Diverse", more likely.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:34:29 PM by Enlong

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30822: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:34:15 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]That is not a DKCR stage. I have cleared Donkey Kong Country Returns on Wii 200% and am up to level 9-9 on the 3DS version. The cave levels do not look like that. The ruin levels do not look that.

How the heck does freakin' everyone get this wrong? I see everyone say this. It's like they all haven't played DKCR in five years or something.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:35:28 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30823: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:34:56 PM

What's the image in question?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30824: Dec 26th 2013 at 10:35:17 PM

Not entirely - it's not really doing it's own thing, but rather continuing out a single move.

A better way to put it would be to say that it's a move that still goes on while the player character is free to move. Referring to it as a "summon" was probably a mistake on my part.

edited 26th Dec '13 10:35:50 PM by KnownUnknown


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