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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#30276: Dec 22nd 2013 at 8:43:11 PM

I was wondering since he looks a lot like a Mario character and doesn't really fit with the modern DK franchise. Like, if they brought back the character, which franchise would take him in for Smash to categorize?

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edited 22nd Dec '13 8:44:01 PM by Rinsankajugin

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#30277: Dec 22nd 2013 at 8:45:27 PM

Donkey Kong.

Originated there, had more or less cameos in two other series. You could argue Game & Watch, but only if he's playable there. Wario is just a cameo, so nope.

Shadow?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#30278: Dec 22nd 2013 at 9:20:40 PM

It might be best to call him more of a general "early Nintendo" character.

edited 22nd Dec '13 9:29:13 PM by KnownUnknown

OdieFromTheOz KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#30279: Dec 22nd 2013 at 9:37:36 PM

Isn't he just incorporated into Mr. Game & Watch?

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#30280: Dec 22nd 2013 at 9:42:56 PM

Arguable. He's on the box, after all.

Like I said, he falls best under Donkey Kong for the Universe.

Notably, in a Donkey Kong-based episode in Saturdays Supercade, he's part of the Episode Greenhouse Gorilla. While this doesn't mean much, the creators could've been under the impression that he's the protagonist of Greenhouse.

What's interesting is that Mr. Game & Watch uses Stanley's weapon in Melee/Brawl, the bug spray. Greenhouse was part of the Game & Watch collection, so it's a neat reference. Also muddies whether it was really Stanley or a Game & Watch-style sprite of Stanley.(or Game & Watch himself based upon Stanley.)

edited 22nd Dec '13 9:47:36 PM by Irene

Shadow?
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#30281: Dec 22nd 2013 at 10:30:25 PM

Well, to be fair, Saturday Supercade didn't exactly know what the hell it was doing most of the time.

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#30282: Dec 22nd 2013 at 10:50:16 PM

https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzRRuuQcrDsv_yt

"Pic of the day. Rosalina's got height! She is seriously tall! However, she boasts an anti-gravity effect, so she's very light."

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30283: Dec 22nd 2013 at 10:56:02 PM

I am getting some serious Mewtwo vibes with Rosalina's attributes. Her running animations, her throw, her galaxy-effect atactks, and her being light because she levitates.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30284: Dec 22nd 2013 at 11:40:56 PM

Six Mario characters would be a bit overkill though.

No it isn't. Mario is:

  • The flagship franchise of Nintendo.
  • The face of gaming. Seriously, Mario is the most well known video game character/series of all time. Although I'd be fine if Pokemon only had 5.

Also, Brawl had six Pokemon characters. I think six slots maximum is good for the biggest franchises.

I'm happy we can finally stop asking for snake now that we have megaman. People always say he has a diverse moveset and we need more long range fighters, and now we have both!

Were you echoing the poster of that thread I linked to or were you serious?

edited 22nd Dec '13 11:44:05 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#30285: Dec 22nd 2013 at 11:59:02 PM

I find importance t be a poor reason to have so many characters from a franchise. While some franchises can only field one or two fighters, I like things to be reasonably balanced. And Pokemon has only had, at most, four characters in a game.

edited 22nd Dec '13 11:59:19 PM by doctrainAUM

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30286: Dec 23rd 2013 at 1:46:25 AM

[up]Sakurai counts "Transformation" characters as the separate characters. So he counts Sheik, Zero Suit Samus and Pokemon Trainer's three mon as their own characters.

I find importance t be a poor reason to have so many characters from a franchise.

Quite frankly it's the best way to determine how many characters a series gets. How is it fair if some franchise gets like three characters for only having like six games while a franchise that has like 13 games has only two?

You know what franchises I'm talking about.

edited 23rd Dec '13 1:49:57 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#30287: Dec 23rd 2013 at 2:15:40 AM

Because in case of those two it would mean more same kind of characters?

I mean, yeah, you don't need to have Star Fox characters use pistols and reflectors and crap, but thats what they have done so far. Same way you don't need to use sword wielding lords or even weapon wielding lords or lords at all, but thats what they have done so far.

Better example would probably be F-Zero when you think about it <_< I mean since its racing game it falls to same category as Star Fox in that you need to make up the moveset almost completely. But since C. Falcon is only character used from it so far they haven't fallen into formula and cast in F-Zero is colorful enough for it to not just be "The series were all brawlers come from" :P I mean imagine Pico fighting like Captain Falcon, that'd be odd so if they would include him they would probably give him more fitting moveset.

edited 23rd Dec '13 2:17:34 AM by SpookyMask

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30288: Dec 23rd 2013 at 2:20:03 AM

[up]Did you even understand what I was getting at?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#30289: Dec 23rd 2013 at 2:26:16 AM

Yeah, but didn't really care tongue I find it to be generally annoying when Mario characters get added(while it is true that there isn't any kind of arbitrary "limit" on how many characters can be added, new characters always require work and its not like they have infinite resources) since I prefer to see variety of different series instead seeing favorites from one of the series. Hence why I'm hoping for some really obscure characters. So I don't really care about number of games or popularity of them which is why I just pointed out that Star Fox and Fire Emblem playable characters tend to fall into certain formula unlike Mario characters it seems.

Edit: On the other hand, I DID misread your post and thought you meant completely the opposite <_<; But my point still stands as I don't really care about popularity of series either.

edited 23rd Dec '13 2:28:14 AM by SpookyMask

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30290: Dec 23rd 2013 at 2:28:05 AM

[up]Mario didn't even get a new character in Brawl. In fact, it dropped one.

Granted, it was the best cut in the history of the series, but still...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#30291: Dec 23rd 2013 at 2:34:17 AM

Err, just to note, technically Dr. Mario is spinoff in the same way as DK, Wario, Yoshi's island, etc are. It just has the thing with its main character just being alternate version of Mario that looks basically identical :p

But yeah, Dr. Mario getting cut isn't problem at all, he'd fit better as alternate costume anyway. I just used Mario as example, I would be annoyed if Mewtwo doesn't get back, but they would add two completely new Pokemon characters or if they would suddenly add dozen new Zelda characters.

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#30292: Dec 23rd 2013 at 2:36:14 AM

I think someone on Miiverse said it best.

"zelda and pokemon have over 4 reps. no one bats an eye. mario gets a 5th rep and everyone losses their minds."

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#30293: Dec 23rd 2013 at 2:42:58 AM

[up][up]Dr Mario is a spin-off yes, but it's not comparable to DK, Yoishi and Wario getting their own series.

It's more comparable to Mario Kart/Party/Tennis/Golf/various spin-offs.

EDIT: Actually, it's more comparable to Mario Pinball/Picross and other smaller spin-off Mario games.

edited 23rd Dec '13 2:47:37 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#30294: Dec 23rd 2013 at 3:59:18 AM

So Rosalina is super-tall in Smash. That's good.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#30296: Dec 23rd 2013 at 6:02:15 AM

[up]

The truth is, the only reason most people like Rosalina is because of her moveset. And they could've given any other character a unique moveset, one that's just a good as hers, with a little creativity and imagination. Moveset potential is a bad argument used by people without enough imagination to make a character unique. Anybody can be unique. Rosalina was a bad choice. There were far, far better choices. She appeals to only a small percentage of gamers. Somebody like Paper Mario, Toad, these characters would've been better because people actually know them...

[lol]

I just can't get that passionate about this roster. People read so much into this franchise. Or maybe it's all due to the rumor about the 3DS version limiting the Wii U version.

I like Sonic, have ever since I was a kid. I would not write a paragraph in his honor if he was removed from Smash Bros.

And on another note, if Toad was playable, then who would be Peach's bullet shield? Toadsworth?

TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#30297: Dec 23rd 2013 at 6:05:04 AM

There are truckload of Toads in Mushroom Kingdom. The one which Peach pulls out might as well be some random Toad which she wants to punish.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#30298: Dec 23rd 2013 at 6:12:08 AM

Gotta love how some people willingfully ignore the massive ammounts of gushing Rosalina has brought to the table.

Anyway... Holy cow is Rosalina tall. Do you think she would meet Ganondorf on eye level? I'd find that very appropiate somehow.

[down]I was mostly refering to the guy saying that people that liked Rosalina only liked her for her moveset. Then again, GameFAQs...

edited 23rd Dec '13 6:22:48 AM by Elbruno

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#30299: Dec 23rd 2013 at 6:17:23 AM

[up][up][up]I honestly found Snake to be way more interesting than Sonic in Smash.

Also that same guy proceeds to say:

Toad has been around since the very first Mario Bros. game and made appearances in just about every single Mario game since! He's basically Nintendo's second mascot.

[lol]

[up][up]Don't kid yourself. If Toad was gonna show up, Sakurai wouldn't have posted that pic of the day for 3D World's release in Japan where it shows all four of the cast and Toad still being one of Peach's moves. If Toad was going to be revealed as playable, that would have been the time.

Also Toad would be the most boring Mario newcomer and if there is a sixth Mario rep for this game I sincerely hope he's not it.

[up]And? It's not like any other newcomer wouldn't cause said character's fans to gush.

*cough* Ridely fans *cough*

edited 23rd Dec '13 6:25:04 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#30300: Dec 23rd 2013 at 6:31:39 AM

I was saying in the sense that "Just because Peach has that Toad move it doesn't mean Toad is completely out". I am not saying I want Toad, not at all, but yeah.

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