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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#29876: Dec 20th 2013 at 6:48:08 PM

Just because it's a flagship series doesn't excuse giving it too many characters.

I disagree. Every major franchise should have several characters.

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#29877: Dec 20th 2013 at 6:48:21 PM

[up][up][up]When in doubt, Falcon Punch! tongue

[up]Especially when adding said many characters means something unique is brought to the table.

edited 20th Dec '13 6:49:40 PM by Elbruno

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#29878: Dec 20th 2013 at 6:53:57 PM

Even so, I don't see where it's written a franchise should have four at most. Having five Mario characters isn't as much of a stretch as everyone says it is.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29879: Dec 20th 2013 at 6:57:23 PM

Four is probably just considered the max because it was the most Melee and Brawl had for any given franchise. As we go further on we can expand that outright although I would like if other franchises got more characters first.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29880: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:00:23 PM

[up] Melee had 5 Mario characters. Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Dr. Mario.

Shadow?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29881: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:03:21 PM

Didn't Doctor Mario have a different insignia than the other four?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29883: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:07:33 PM

Then I stand corrected. Still Brawl never went past four characters for a franchise. I'm only counting people with a slot on the selection screen by the way. Technically Zelda and Pokemon had more but those are more like form changes.

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#29884: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:07:36 PM

Melee had five Mario characters.

I don't see a problem with bumping the "franchise max" from Brawl's four to five. Or higher, if there's more in the works. But it seems unlikely.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29885: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:08:27 PM

I think it should go no higher than 6, perhaps. But I don't see a need for a specific number regardless.

Shadow?
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#29886: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:09:35 PM

I have seen some disdain from people about Rosalina, but I didn't think it was enough to warrant Base Breaker status. I still don't, for that matter.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29887: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:12:12 PM

[up]I get the feeling that people just want to add every newcomer to that trope.

How the hell is Dr Mario NOT a Base Breaker?

edited 20th Dec '13 7:13:27 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#29888: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:13:15 PM

Yeah I feel like most people who would've had an issue didn't after we saw her fighting style, which is pretty different from the rest of the Mario Crew.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29889: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:13:32 PM

Is Wii Fit Trainer on there? I can understand her being a base breaker but not the others.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29890: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:14:23 PM

[up]Yeah Wii Fit Trainer is there.

edited 20th Dec '13 7:14:36 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
OdieFromTheOz KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#29891: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:16:58 PM

People who hate Wii Fit Trainer are no fun.

nyo ho ho
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29892: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:17:02 PM

[up][up]That one I'm okay with.

[up]Eh, I understand why they hate her.

I also agree that five or six should be the max but only for big franchises. The only ones that warrant that many are probably Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon.

edited 20th Dec '13 7:17:33 PM by Kostya

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29893: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:21:48 PM

[up]I'm not okay with that. Wii Fit Trainer is the most original idea for a character in Smash since Pokemon Trainer and Mr Game and Watch.

They hate her because she's not Shulk/Ridley/Little Mac etc. Shallow reasons like "The character I want hasn't been revealed yet, clearly it's Wii Fit Trainer's fault".

[up][up]Agreed.

edited 20th Dec '13 7:25:17 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29894: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:25:09 PM

Even if you like her you can't deny that tons of people were mad about her inclusion. That's why it's called a base breaker. We love her but others don't.

OdieFromTheOz KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#29895: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:27:31 PM

I think he meant more along the lines of people hating her was dump.

She's definitely a base breaker, no doubt.

nyo ho ho
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29896: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:29:29 PM

Okay but I dislike the idea that they hate her because she's not X character. I wasn't too thrilled with her inclusion either until I saw the trailer for her.

OdieFromTheOz KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#29897: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:32:01 PM

I can't speak for Magcargo, but I think we love hr inclusion for the same reason. She's such a bizarre choice, if you had told me she would be in before I wouldn't have believed you. That's what makes her so great. She opens up the board so everyone is possible. She makes crazy ideas possible, and it's super cool.

Also she just looks fun to play as.

nyo ho ho
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#29898: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:35:02 PM

I dislike the idea that "Wii Fit Trainer got in! Everyone is a possibility!" too. The reasons for her getting in are perfectly logical and in line with the reasons other characters have. Just because she was unexpected doesn't mean she doesn't have the same reasons for being in as everyone else.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#29899: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:35:53 PM

Kostya: Agreed. Just because Wii Fit isn't a traditional video game doesn't mean it isn't a major part of Nintendo's lineup.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29900: Dec 20th 2013 at 7:35:57 PM

[up][up][up]Exactly. It's so unexpected and fighting with Yoga poses is so original.

And it's true that it does open the door to a lot more characters. Because of her I have an idea for an equally random and unexpected character for a series I initially only wanted a stage from.

edited 20th Dec '13 7:36:20 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

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