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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#29726: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:39:57 AM

It's still like a year until the game will be released. Calm yo' tits.

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29727: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:40:00 AM

PART 2

I toyed with the idea of another Adventure Mode wherein, say, Marth lead a small platoon in FE overworld movements but with Smash fights instead of the regular battle animations, or Snake needing to sneak through a level, or a short shoot 'em up segment with one of the Star Fox characters.

That's a cool idea. [tup] smile

Looks like she has a Stand. I think I'll call it Ride On Shooting Star.

I don't understand.

Down A: Ruler – Jeff swipes low to the ground with a ruler. Now he can measure things easily.

Heh. [lol]

This is a good moveset by the way. Very creative. [tup]

It's a very, very good fan-made preliminary, but still, a fan preliminary.

Yeah, it did look nice.

Would you be surprised if they add another new Mario character?

No I wouldn't. I hope there's room for one more Mario character though. I don't want to wait another 8 years to play as Bowser Jr.

shes fancy

the fancy rules state that the less fingers you use to hold something the fancier you are

'When in doubt, pinky out.' tongue

Lucas (possible, he's not quite as relevant now)

More recent than Ness.

Ike (he's kind of lost some relevance, and there's better rep choices for Fire Emblem)

Firstly Ike is the only lord besides Marth to be the star of more than one game, second part is an opinion.

No comments on what I said about Lucario? I thought people would get riled up because Lucario is so beloved.

Here you go. tongue

Lucario (those who say "but he's a mascot!", remember Mewtwo?)

Two cuts don't make a right. Not to mention Mewtwo almost made it in.

Lucas, Pokémon Trainer, Wolf, Ike, R.O.B., Lucario

Honestly you people seem awfully trigger-happy when it comes to axing Brawl newcomers.

Also Toon link, who everyone said would be cut, says "Hi!".

Want to know why he got in Brawl? Because he wasn't a clone.

No.

It was already mentioned that Falco was considered "safe" due to being a Melee veteran of sorts.

And then Sakurai said the Ice Climbers were in jeopardy so that doesn't mean much.

Wolf's only change should be his Final Smash. He's fine otherwise.

Double no.

To be honest, I'd think that priority should be given to franchise representation based on importance to Nintendo as a whole. So Mario would likely be hugely represented because Mario is their first big franchise and arguably their most important one, as well as Pokemon because it is perhaps their biggest cash cow, the thing that pretty much sold Game Boy consoles, and a consistent record-breaker for highest game sales period.

Agreed.

Clones or not, Starfox has a great setup list. I'd like one more at max.

Star Fox has had only six games and one was a port. It does not deserve four characters.

I would not mind if Metroid got a 3rd playable character.(key term being character, not slot)

I'm a little confused here. If Metroid got a third character and not a slot, that would mean Samus would have two characters she could become.

I actually think Lucario should be cut. That slot should change for a new pokemon every game.

NO! That's pretty much pure advertising. Shameful.

I'd like both him and Mewtwo.

Same here. Both deserve to return.

Yeah, Sakurai hasn't said the original 12 are all safe, but I expect they'll all return anyway because duh.

You know the reason most of the original twelve because they are the main characters of their series/game right? As for Luigi he's a very important Mario character, and Jigglypuff was still relevant by Melee, and got into Brawl because Grandfather Clause and because they were running out of time and it was easier to add her.

How about in addition to Zelda being able to transform into Sheik, normal Zelda fights with Impa?

Not sure if serious...

Not to mention that Rosalina has the power to move her Observatory between parallel universes.

What? Parallel universe? Since when?

I would posit that Luma would be harder to program.

Same here.

@Midna: We could have Pikmin&Olimar, Pokémon Trainer, Ice Climbers, Rosalina&Luma, Diddy & Dixie Kong, Zelda&Impa, Kat&Ana, and Ness&Friends(his original party from Earthbound).

Really not sure if serious...

Could be done in a cinematic style, kind of like Captain Falcon's. Trap a few poor souls in a launch star; send them to space and into a rushing chunk of Cool Spaceship.

That's a cool idea. [tup]

Yeah that's all, so don't be afraid. Sorry for the big posts, but there was a lot of stuff going on those last nine pages.

edited 19th Dec '13 4:41:37 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#29728: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:41:52 AM

Gotta love Luma's little angry eyebrows.

@Wario's appearance: Well, he did appear in a whiteboard full of SSB characters' drawings Sakurai uploaded a good while back. I wouldn't say he's at risk of getting the axe.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#29729: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:44:27 AM

NO! That's pretty much pure advertising. Shameful.
Honestly, when it gets right down to it, this whole game is pretty much just a really clever advertising gimmick. How do you think Fire Emblem caught on so quickly in the West, por ejemplo?

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#29730: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:45:27 AM

@Magcargo: The Jojo character thing is referring to how the luma works like a Stand in Jojos Bizarre Adventure.
The jist of it is that Jojo characters (after a certain point) can summon this thing called a Stand. Its like a manifestation of their fighting spirit, and it usually has some weird powers. Humanoid Stands tend to hover behind or in front of the user and attack alongside them.

After Part III, most Stands were named after songs or music. Typically Western music, but Ride On Shooting Star was the first star based song that somehow involves celestial bodies in some way or form that jumped to mind. Champagne Supernova might work (the second said song to jump to mind)...

Jump to 1:21 for the Stand users. Or don't. Its all pretty great.
If you have time, and if you don't mind a good manga, I'd honestly recommend reading Jojo.
The first two parts are animated now, too, so you can skip the horrendous artwork stage.

edited 19th Dec '13 4:49:41 AM by zeromaeus

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#29731: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:49:28 AM

[up][up]Keyword: Clever. Changing a character slot constantly because advertisement would not be a very clever move.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29732: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:50:26 AM

[up][up][up]This game existed because it's the ultimate love letter to Nintendo's history. Sakurai swapped the randoms for Nintendo characters because of atmosphere

"Of course. I asked to use Nintendo characters since it was so hard to accurately convey to the players the atmosphere of the gaming world where they play a fighting game on home console. You have to have some main characters in a fighting game, and when you line up character 1, character 2, character 3 and so on, the main characters end up blurring together. With a game for the arcade, it’s okay for character development to take a backseat since players are content with the fighting. With a fighting game for the home console, however, you have to set up the general image or the atmosphere of the gaming world right from the start or else the game suffers. That’s why I asked to use Nintendo characters."

[up][up]Thanks.

EDIT:Y'know, I'm really glad some people replied to my mega post. I was afraid everyone would be all like "tl;dr" and ignore it. So thank you 0dd1 and zeromaeus. smile

edited 19th Dec '13 5:11:32 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#29733: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:17:59 AM

[up]See that? All that you're saying? You're falling right into the trap the advertising wants you to fall into tongue

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#29734: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:22:52 AM

[up] Bah. Can't be purely advertising when it includes characters who haven't had a game in forever and still don't even with their Smash appearences boosting recogniion.

What? Parallel universe? Since when?

Oh, since Mario Galaxy 1. When you collect 120 stars, she's able to take you to "a new world", and the Observatory vanishes off somewhere. That opens up Luigi mode, which takes place in an alternate version of events where one of two Luigis is the hero. And her appearance in Galaxy 2 might be something similar? It's a bit ambiguous. But she does know Mario's name already...

edited 19th Dec '13 5:23:48 AM by Enlong

I have a message from another time...
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29735: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:23:35 AM

[up][up]The only trap I see is the trap of believing there is a trap where there isn't a trap. That's the true trap. tongue

[up]I know about Luigi Mode; I've got all 121 stars with both Mario and Luigi. But is Luigi Mode even canon though? (inb4 "Mario has no canon")

Also, it really bugs me that others don't understand Galaxy 2 in terms of it's relation to Galaxy 1's ending. I figured it out the first time.

edited 19th Dec '13 5:28:30 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#29736: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:28:35 AM

Mario Galxy 1's ending was... A bit out there, but the implication seems to be that the Lumas sacrificed themselves to create more matter than the black hole Bowser's Galaxy Reactor turned into could take in, ultimately resulting in them waking up at the Star Festival in a slightly altered universe, slightly before the game starts. Mario Galaxy 2 seems to take place in the same time period as 1.

edited 19th Dec '13 5:30:24 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#29737: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:30:33 AM

By popular demand, I'm trying my hand at another codec.

"Be careful, Pit. That's Rosalina!"
"You know who she is, Lady Palutena?"
"Yes. Rosalina comes from Mario's world, where she's the protector of the cosmos, and mother to the stars."
"Do you mean figuratively, or literally?"
"Figuratively a mother, and literally stars, Pit. See that little one helping her fight? That's Luma. He's a star child"
"So he grows up to be... a star?"
"Or a planet, or even a galaxy!"
"Whoa. They must eat a lot."
"You would know, wouldn't you, Pit?"
"Aheheh..."
"As the protector of the Lumas, the Lumas are also willing to fight for her. So be aware of where they both are. Don't underestimate Luma just because he's cute!"
"So, Luma's like a guardian who keeps her safe from harm, while she uses her magic? Heh. Kinda reminds me of you and m-"
"So I suggest taking Luma out first!"
"..."

[up] I figure Galaxy 2 is a parallel world, but Rosalina from 1 shows up in search of Luma.

Of course, it could also be a parallel Rosalina.

But dimensional ravel does happen. I think the Faceship also does it? Not on as grand a scale, though.

edited 19th Dec '13 5:31:57 AM by Enlong

I have a message from another time...
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#29738: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:31:00 AM

My first thought was that it was the events of the original Galaxy taking place in the Reset Buttoned universe. My other thought was that it was Rosalina telling the Lumas a story loosely based on the first game's events.

I really felt kind of bummed when Miyamoto decided to ditch the little pieces of story from SMG2 altogheter; I enjoyed that little detail from the original.

[up]Not bad. [tup]

edited 19th Dec '13 5:34:57 AM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29739: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:32:54 AM

Here's how I saw it. The universe was destroyed. Rosalina restores it and pulls a Mewtwo Strikes Back where everyone is sent back before the events of the plot. This explains why the Star Festival happens in Galaxy 2 even though it's meant to happen once every 1000 years. It also explains why Bowser pulls a similar plan to last time and Rosalina has to reintroduce herself to Mario.

EDIT: Pretty similar to what Pulse said.

[up][up]Aw. For a moment I thought you meant a Snake codec. sad

That last bit was pretty funny though. smile

edited 19th Dec '13 5:35:47 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#29740: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:35:18 AM

I dunno. Mario's cry of "Welcome new galaxy!" at the end, and all the charcters showing up, makes me thik he didn't forget.

If anything, I think the Grand Finale Galaxy is the actual rebooted Star Festival.

[up] Sorry. I know how to make Pit codecs better than Snake ones.

And yeah, I understand that sayiing "Codec" has connotations of Snake.

edited 19th Dec '13 5:35:55 AM by Enlong

I have a message from another time...
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#29741: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:36:39 AM

I don't think anyone forgot anything, either. I'm mostly spitballin'.

I sure said that!
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29742: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:38:12 AM

[up][up]Well he heard Rosalina's voice telling him something after the reset based on the last bit of dialogue.

Maybe some of the words prior to that lingered.

edited 19th Dec '13 5:38:59 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#29743: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:43:02 AM

But why would they keep that?

Because they were funny.

Well yeah, but isn't it kind of a cutscene?

Star Fox has had only six games and one was a port. It does not deserve four characters.

Krystal totally deserves to be in.

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#29744: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:44:15 AM

[up]It's just dialogue with a few visuals over the actual gameplay. That's a far call from a completely animated cutscene with high-res models.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29745: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:44:54 AM

Well yeah, but isn't it kind of a cutscene?

Nope. It happens in-game.

EDIT: GAH Ninja'd!

Krystal totally deserves to be in.

Which is why Falco has to go.

edited 19th Dec '13 5:45:11 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#29746: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:50:59 AM

I actually think Slippy would be a better choice than Falco. He's more iconic.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29747: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:53:23 AM

Even if we ditch Falco, adding both Krystal and Slippy brings us back to the original problem of over-reping Star Fox.

That is, as in more than three reps.

edited 19th Dec '13 5:53:47 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#29748: Dec 19th 2013 at 5:57:24 AM

How about some gameplay discussion on toher characters?

I wonder how useful Villager's Balloon Helmet (nickname) will be. It probably has good vertical recovery but if those balloons pop, you are dead.

Only sometimes posts
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29749: Dec 19th 2013 at 6:02:45 AM

[up]I really dislike how they based it off Balloon Fighter when AC has it's own balloon thing that could have been used as a recovery. He could have been holding onto a present with a balloon tied to it.

But as for the recovery being judged on it's own merits, it's pretty cool. I noticed in the Rosalina trailer the balloons were blue instead of red. I wonder if it's based on the player's number (ie. Red balloons for P1, blue for P2, etc.)

edited 19th Dec '13 6:04:13 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#29750: Dec 19th 2013 at 7:30:29 AM

Actually, I wonder how much Brawl's codecs influenced the method used to delived dialogue in Uprising...

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