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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#29701: Dec 18th 2013 at 8:11:53 PM

Or create a black hole.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#29702: Dec 18th 2013 at 8:17:47 PM

Well, we have Luma mirroring Rosalina's attacks. Ice Climbers is that, but with AI added for when one is incapacitaed, and without any differences in moves between them (whereas Luma has diferent animations and the star bit shooter thing.)

Oh, final smash?

How about smashing into someone wih the Comet Observatory? Too big? Probably too big.

edited 18th Dec '13 8:18:17 PM by Enlong

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29703: Dec 18th 2013 at 8:20:31 PM

To clarify, I mean their programming feels kind of different. It could be that Luma takes up less space because it's not out automatically during the entire battle like the second Ice Climber would be.

Trust me, I doubt he hasn't fixed the IC issue anyway. But we still don't know. I'm only keeping a "I think it's fixed, but I don't feel it's truly guaranteed just yet." If we see another character like Ice Climbers, including Pokemon Trainer(two big models always onscreen), then yeah, "they're back" will be my response. I'm only somewhat skeptical at the moment.

[up] Ridley

I like that idea, but it's already a course. I really like the Black Hole one myself. Ooh, how about firing Luma off like a shooting star, having a knockback idea similar to things like Critical Hit or Blue Falcon.

edited 18th Dec '13 8:24:16 PM by Irene

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#29704: Dec 18th 2013 at 8:27:59 PM

Oh, I forgot to list another team character that should get in. Sonic&Tails.

edited 18th Dec '13 8:28:08 PM by CassidyTheDevil

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#29705: Dec 18th 2013 at 8:29:28 PM

[up][up][up]Could be done in a cinematic style, kind of like Captain Falcon's. Trap a few poor souls in a launch star; send them to space and into a rushing chunk of Cool Spaceship. I don't know, there's a lot of ways the watcher of the cosmos could ruin someone's day spectacularly tongue

edited 18th Dec '13 8:29:46 PM by Elbruno

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29706: Dec 18th 2013 at 8:31:20 PM

Ooh, even better. Any close enough get into the Launcher Star, then get slaughtered by a bunch of random flying Lumas. It's a similar idea to how Kat & Ana attack, but it's a full cinematic of being hit by a ton of them.

If you could program it any way you want, it should be hit how many times equal to Rosalina's current percent. evil grin Joking aside, a series of perhaps 10 hits my work.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#29707: Dec 18th 2013 at 8:32:28 PM

I like that idea, but it's already a course

No it isn't. The Mario Galaxy stage is more based on the Gateway Galaxy, if anything, but it's not the Comet Observatory.

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#29708: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:10:19 PM

It's not about programming difficulty, it's about *space*. The memory limitations of 3DS cards are the concern for holding back the roster (compared to the in-all-but-name Blu-Ray discs the Wii U uses). CPU is not the limiting factor here, nor really is GPU, since the 3DS is about on par with the Gamecube (at absolute worst, they would just have to disable 3D on the 3DS to get everything to run smooth like they did with Pokemon Gen 6, but rendering 8 characters at once along with environments, as the Ice Climbers and/or Rosalina will mandate, will not be a strain)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29709: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:11:14 PM

I'll admit, Smash is not the first game I would've expected a character with Rosalina's fighting style to show up in. Tres unexpected - I can't wait to see how she works out.

With Super Mario 3D World and now this, it seems like Nintendo really trying to push Rosalina as a mainstay in the Mario series.

Also, is it just me or is that trailer really awesome. It's a lot more involved than the average Smash trailer - there's a lot going on, and the concept really makes me think that Kirby needs to show up in Mario Kart one of these days (and maybe he can bring City Attack from Air Ride with him).

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29710: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:22:32 PM

Rosalina won't be a strain because the Luma isn't always on the field. Ice Climbers definitely would cause more of a strain.

I doubt there is one with Pikmin and Olimar back, but I really have no idea.

@Enlong: I thought it showed up in the stage?

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#29711: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:35:01 PM

[up] Does it? I've been hoping it would, afer seeing the Faceship there. If there's a screenshot with the Observatory visible, I would very much like to see it.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29712: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:37:28 PM

I don't know.

I guess we'll eventually see.

Eh, regardless, it crashing down would be cool too. If it's part of the stage, it should get an extra animation for that too. Like an Easter Egg.

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#29713: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:38:08 PM

What? Rosalina's in? No way! She never even crossed my mind, being more of a recent character and all. I was hoping for Bowser Jr. or Waluigi. But holy crap, this is awesome! Mario Galaxy is in my top 5 games of all time! Freaking legit!

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#29714: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:39:39 PM

That has nothing to do with it, really. When you build a fighting game like this, you have to think of optimum conditions. "No slowdown with all four players as Ice Climbers, on a stage like Mario Circuit (with the independently driven karts driving around) with a Pokeball and an Assist Trophy in play simultaneously."

That Luma exists at all dictates that Rosalina *could* be as much of a strain, whether we're talking in terms of computing or graphical performance. Toad and Peach's turnips are much the same way: they're not always there, but they're there, and that always has to be accounted for.

Again, Sakurai's statement about roster really had to do with *space*, and given that Game Freak clearly found the space for some 721 models (three hidden for cheat devices only at this point, and plus different forms, mega evolutions, and, you know, the actual game), I really doubt there's much in the way of limiting factor going on here. I'd be more worried about music on the 3DS version, and its quality.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29715: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:43:04 PM

I'm pretty sure Rosalina was more than notable enough to be added. XD

And I think constant models on the screen is more strainful than once in a while. Regardless. now that we've seen multi-model characters show up, I'm pretty sure they're coming back. Like, 90%. Maybe he's waiting for a better date to show them off. He might not even announce them at all since they're not connected to a newer game. Who knows?

edited 18th Dec '13 9:59:17 PM by Irene

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#29716: Dec 18th 2013 at 9:54:28 PM

Um, from what we've seen, Luma seems more like a weapon than an actual second character. More like Olimar's Pikmin than Popo and Nana.

Also, I didn't notice, but did anyone else point out that the trailer also pretty much confirmed that Rainbow Road is going to be a stage?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#29717: Dec 18th 2013 at 10:24:15 PM

If anyone gets the reference, I'm thinking the Luma is something along the lines of Relius' mechanic in Blaz Blue (or several others in 2D fighters with a "puppet" gimmick) - a companion that can either be ordered to do a single special attack, or can be detached somewhat to receive partial autonomy. We see Rosalina doing what looks like both at different points in the trailer.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29718: Dec 18th 2013 at 10:26:44 PM

Keep in mind how I defined Partners.

If a lot of their moveset revolves around a second character existing, I consider it a partner character. That's all.

Anyway, I really like her design.

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Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#29719: Dec 18th 2013 at 10:46:33 PM

I'm thinking that she creates a Launcher Star for her Final Smash. It sucks in anyone close enough, and then launches them into space, where they pinball off of several bits of space debris, asteroids, etc. before landing back on the stage with their damage counters increased greatly.

Sort of like Blue Falcon, but with the knockback at the end replaced with extra damage dealt.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
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#29720: Dec 18th 2013 at 10:58:07 PM

[up]Thats her recovery,

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29721: Dec 18th 2013 at 10:59:37 PM

It can be both.

They combined Diddy's Recovery and Projectile attack for his Final Smash, after all.

Plus, they're both used entirely different ways. One gives her a boost. The other sends somebody into space to be eliminated. evil grin

@Bad Wolf: It was just confirmed Luma is a second character, actually.

"Pic of the day. Rosalina and Luma can be right by each other or set farther apart. They're both controlled by the player, so a smash attack can be done from far off. Remote control all the way!"

edited 18th Dec '13 11:57:56 PM by Irene

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#29723: Dec 19th 2013 at 2:46:58 AM

After Pikmin & Olimar, it's not entirely odd.

Yeah, but Olimar’s pretty much useless without Pikmin. Rosalina can fight without her Luma.

And that now makes 4.5 females on the roster so far. Well, it's a start.

".5"?

Yoshi is still a given to me for Yoshi reps.

You don’t say. tongue

While I would have preferred we stick with four Mario characters

Why? Having only the main four would be boring.

The fiery Smash Bros logo at the start should've been a tip off.

It wasn’t in the Direct.

I figured it out as soon as I saw the Mario Kart bit that it was Smash.

She plays like a Jojo character!

What is that?

On another note, seeing both Rosalina & Luma as well as Olimar & Pikmin makes me think at this point that it's pretty unlikely they wouldn't be able to get the Ice Climbers working in the 3DS version.

This makes me very happy.

Also also, looks like we're getting some sort of cosmic stage for the 3DS. Wonder what it is.

I think that’s just Battlefield at night. tongue

...oh. Considering all the "WAAAAAH FLUDD SUCKS MARIO SHOULD HAVE HIS TORNADO OR A NEW SPECIAL" that goes on here, I thought it wasn't. But them complaining about things that are already confirmed is par for the course, so yeah...

Once again, TV Tropes proves The Complainer Is Always Wrong stigma.

This. Super, 64, and 7 have the best Rainbow Road themes, in my opinion.

Your opinion is missing Double Dash. tongue

I KNEW IT! :D

You said the pic of the day meant nothing. Or did you just mean you knew Rosie would make it in?

Why does anyone need to be dropped?
Because there are more relevant Pokemon than Jigglypuff, and having Krystal replace Falco means we get Hero/Another Female/Villain, instead of Hero/Another Male Hero/Villain.

The most likely characters to be dropped at this point are Pokemon, Ike, and Snake, all for various reasons.

And none of them should.

Pokemon Trainer, despite his great gimmick, seems less and less likely- Genwunning and all that, on top of being a bit of a hassle to program.

You say that as if there's no genuine reason to like him...

Ike, I think, actually has a fair chance, considering that Awakening did well enough that three FE characters seems likely.

Fire Emblem deserves three reps regardless. Heck, it deserved three in Brawl.

Hopefully, she won't take away the point of having the Ice Climbers.

Rosie's style is very different from the Ice Climbers.

But why would they keep that?

Because they were funny. smile

edited 19th Dec '13 4:36:53 AM by MagcargoMan

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#29725: Dec 19th 2013 at 4:35:43 AM

Still no Wario.sad

Should we start to panic now?


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