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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#29301: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:05:32 PM

[up]x7 the latter one.

These freakin' pagetoppers

edited 14th Dec '13 10:06:21 PM by TPPR10

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#29302: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:06:02 PM

They kind of try to hide the fact that "Marth" is a woman.

I mean, it's obvious from the voice, but the characters don't know it until the mask is removed.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29303: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:07:12 PM

[up][up][up][up]I dunno, it just seems like the thing you do where only the default has palettes and the alt stands out.

Plus most fighting games that have alt costumes and palette swaps usually don't give the alts palette swaps.

[up][up][up]It's just that I see others in the thread spoiler that, so I assumed it was the thing to do.

I do agree with that sentiment though. It's pretty obvious "Marth" is a she the first time you see her.

[up]Kinda like how how the characters in Superman can't figure out Clark Kent is Superman when all he does is put on a pair of glasses and some formal clothing.tongue

edited 14th Dec '13 10:11:58 PM by MagcargoMan

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#29304: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:09:14 PM

[up][up] If they are, it's not particularly well hidden. It's like trying to hide the fact that Sheik is female in the 3DS version of Ocarina.

If anything, it's supposed to be a surprise to the characters, but not the player. Because they do a terrible job disguising the voice. As in, they don't really do it at all.

[up] The consensus was made in the Fire Emblem thread a long time ago that her name wasn't much of a spoiler, since knowing it gives you exactly no information about her until The Reveal anyway.

edited 14th Dec '13 10:10:34 PM by BadWolf21

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29305: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:18:25 PM

@Mag: Those are good ideas. :3

Thank you. smile

I have no problem with Mr. L. Project M made it work, so I believe Nintendo definitely could.

YMMV. It looks dodgy where the eye mask meets the hair. There's something not quite right about the shirt either.

Look, than point I was making is that if Mr L was designed for a 3D Mario game in the first place it would have looked better on him in Smash, because Mr L was designed for a Luigi who had a completely different artstyle.

Oh thank God someone else agrees. I would give Luigi a Propeller Luigi alt, because 1)I like how the jumpsuit looks on Luigi, and 2)It looks a little ridiculous, so only fitting Luigi wears it.

I really thought I was the only one who felt that way about a Mr L costume.

edited 14th Dec '13 10:21:11 PM by MagcargoMan

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#29306: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:28:31 PM

That's a pretty nice model, in my opinion.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29307: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:45:48 PM

[up]It is indeed well made. I just find something iffy about it.

@Post 29248 Thanks for the feedback, Classic. smile

There's some better options for Peach than sports attire, in my opinion. My idea is... Peach in a kimono. As seen in the Kyoto Cross Media Expreience 2009.

Darn that's cool. Sadly I don't think Sakurai would go for something that obscure for a costume.

Adventures Fox. Why? I don't know, honestly.

Assualt Fox looks more diverse from Smash Fox, so it would be better than Adventures Fox in my opinion.

That could work for Marth, although I would use Heroes of Yore Marth instead. aka DLC!Marth.

You mean this? That's awful. It feels like they made him look more like Lucina body-wise because it it was pretty darn obvious Lucina wasn't Marth, gave him a face and hairstyle that looks weird(er than Brawl Marth), and clothes that don't work on Marth as well as they do on Lucina.

Speaking of which, I wish the DLC characters taht got artwork had it done in the same style as the main cast. It would have been cool to see Ike in that style instead of the kinda weird version we got.

EDIT: I forgot Link. I'd give him the Twilight Princess Magic Armor. It's pretty dang fancy~

Oh that's cool. But so is Ordon Link from a design perspective. Hmm...

Gah, this makes me wish they could have more than one alt costume. tongue

edited 14th Dec '13 10:54:37 PM by MagcargoMan

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#29308: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:51:29 PM

Marth's art is like that because it's based on his in-game appearance. Since he's just a head-swap of Lucina, his art looks more like her, too.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29309: Dec 14th 2013 at 10:53:22 PM

[up]Oh...

Lucario: Shiny

Unacceptable. I get the logic behind your reasoning for Pikachu/Jigglypuff, but Lucario actually has palette swaps.

need I remind you of the Spirit Tracks stage?

Byrne falls into the one-shot characters category.

EDIT: Oh you meant as a boss not a playable character. Nevermind.

Also, I know everybody complains about stuff from Other M, but surely this outfit as an alternate costume for Zero Suit Samus wouldn't be objectionable?

Yeah that works.

That could work, though I can't really imagine her wearing that underneath a suit.

It doesn't have to make sense if it's an alt costume.

edited 14th Dec '13 11:09:05 PM by MagcargoMan

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#29310: Dec 14th 2013 at 11:11:54 PM

Samus' alternate costume has to be an armour, or else Zero Laser doesn't work. That can be a ZSS alt, but not regular Samus.

edited 14th Dec '13 11:14:08 PM by BadWolf21

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29311: Dec 14th 2013 at 11:13:56 PM

[up]Um... beorc said it was for Zero Suit Samus.

edited 14th Dec '13 11:14:43 PM by MagcargoMan

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#29312: Dec 14th 2013 at 11:14:47 PM

Yeah, I got it after posting. Blame tired-brain.

But there should be some kind of internal logic to the alt costumes. Just because they're alternate doesn't mean they don't have to make sense.

Personally, I think it'd be funny if ZSS's alt was the pink bikini and green hair from the original Reveal.

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#29313: Dec 14th 2013 at 11:22:21 PM

I'd prefer a less-revealing one than the original bikini since that would look sorta awkward, but that's the general idea, making ZSS's alternate be one of the fast-ending suits from the original, Super, or Fusion (Fusion makes the most thematic sense if the Fusion Suit is the alt, but Super's is a better design for it since it's not that different from the Zero Suit).

edited 14th Dec '13 11:22:36 PM by Anomalocaris20

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29314: Dec 14th 2013 at 11:32:05 PM

The reveal of Yoshi's New Island makes me wonder if Yarn Yoshi's concepts were simply recycled into it or if it's still a thing.

I'd hope not. After what they did with the artstyle in New Island, I'm now wanting Yarn Yoshi much more as my upcoming Yoshi game of choice.

Sorry, I meant to reply to this before but kept getting sidetracked.

I feel he doesn't fit in with the Mario series concept or design-wise (he works in RPG because of it's style). Concept: He's a space entity possessing a doll. Not a bad concept but doesn't sound like a Mario one. Design-wise, he's clearly a Square character; he'd fit in far more in a Dragon Quest or a cartoony Final Fantasy than he would in a new Mario game.

edited 15th Dec '13 12:19:46 AM by MagcargoMan

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#29315: Dec 15th 2013 at 3:12:11 AM

It's like trying to hide the fact that Sheik is female in the 3DS version of Ocarina.

Huh, they are? I thought Zelda actually transformed into a male using her magic.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#29316: Dec 15th 2013 at 3:29:32 AM

In both the original and 3DS version of Ocarina, Sheik is supposed to look androgynous, but in the 3DS version, Sheik is more obviously feminine (similar to the Smash version of Sheik). I don't think either version was trying to hide Sheik's gender though; they were mostly trying to hide the fact that Sheik was Zelda herself, and not just some new character introduced just for Ocarina.

There's an entire debate about whether or not Zelda is male while she is Sheik, but I feel that it's an unimportant detail not worth bringing up in this thread (particularly because Smash Bros considers Sheik to be female anyway, as far as this thread is concerned).

edited 15th Dec '13 3:34:42 AM by Customer

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#29317: Dec 15th 2013 at 3:44:33 AM

People argue about that?

Honestly, as someone who has never played Ocarina Of Time, I never quite understood the hubub around that.

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#29318: Dec 15th 2013 at 3:57:27 AM

I've played the game and I've really never understood why it's such a hot button issue. I assume it's because Princess Ruto refers to Sheik as male after you beat the Water Temple, but that's the only instance in that game where Sheik's gender is referred tonote . In Smash, she's directly referred to as female, and I think that just brought on the argument back in full force.

You can mosey on over to our Ocarina Headscratchers page to get a snippet of the debate, but overall, it's such a minor detail about the character and it really has no effect on anything in the game (and is never brought up again).

edited 15th Dec '13 4:43:41 AM by Customer

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29319: Dec 15th 2013 at 3:58:05 AM

I'm pretty sure this is on Enlong's list of topics we must never bring up.

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#29320: Dec 15th 2013 at 4:01:06 AM

I'm just explaining the situation to people who are unaware of it. I feel saying "don't ask" without explanation is kind of rude.

I feel he doesn't fit in with the Mario series concept or design-wise (he works in RPG because of it's style). Concept: He's a space entity possessing a doll. Not a bad concept but doesn't sound like a Mario one. Design-wise, he's clearly a Square character; he'd fit in far more in a Dragon Quest or a cartoony Final Fantasy than he would in a new Mario game.
That's a good explanation. That's probably why, while I like the character, I don't think I want him to be a fighter in Smash.

An Assist Trophy though... That may work better for Geno.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#29321: Dec 15th 2013 at 4:03:39 AM

[up]I know, I was just being cautious.

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#29322: Dec 15th 2013 at 4:30:01 AM

I appreciate the explanation, Customer.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#29323: Dec 15th 2013 at 7:15:10 AM

"Space entity" doesn't sound very Mario, true.

But Geno's more specifically a star spirit inhabiting a doll, and star spirits are very Mario. At least, very Mario RPG.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#29324: Dec 15th 2013 at 12:43:28 PM

You know, it would be genius if Yoshi had Baby Mario on his back in SSB4.

edited 15th Dec '13 1:03:31 PM by CassidyTheDevil

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#29325: Dec 15th 2013 at 12:52:31 PM

[up] Not sure how they'd work in the whole "Get the baby back now or you're dead" mechanic, though, considering the lack of stars to add to the timer and what it would mean for Yoshi's player.

After what they did with the artstyle in New Island

You mean they didn't change it at all, practically?

edited 15th Dec '13 1:06:48 PM by Midna

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