The thing showed up in one game (Smash brothers aside) that was released years ago, and nobody seems to like it as far as I can tell. I can't fathom why they decided it would be a good idea to keep it around.
What's worse is, not only was it a crap move, but it was clone of Squirtle's equally useless Water Gun. Sakurai was giving a non-clone character a clone move!
Bring back Mario Tornado.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyMWell, to be fair, Squirtle's Water Gun could be used to deal damage if you double-tap the attack button. And, to be even more fair, both attacks can probably be used to prevent a recovery if someone is trying to get to the ledge from the edge.
Either way, I never really play as Mario anyway. LUIGI NUMBER ONE.
edited 13th Dec '13 1:22:22 AM by Odd1
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Heck yeah. Luigi keeping it in Brawl doesn't mean his makes Mario's a clone if Mario gets it back. Mario had it first.
It's not the same. :/
And the knockback was piddly at best.
edited 13th Dec '13 1:25:36 AM by MagcargoMan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyMI didn't really see it as knockback—I call it knockback if it actually stuns the person. What those attacks did was more like just gently (but forcibly) pushing to the side, which could work wonders if done right. Like, like I said, preventing someone from getting back to the ledge from the edge.
edited 13th Dec '13 1:27:58 AM by Odd1
Insert witty 'n clever quip here.Meh. Tornado was better.
See this is one of the problems I have with his inclusion. They look the same except for different colours. Not only is that gonna be a bit confusing, keep in mind that each character has to have Red, Green and Blue costumes. So then they're gonna have to make his team palettes look different enough from Pit's. It's just not worth it.
The other problem I have is that there are far more unique choices for Kid Icarus' second rep. Dark Pit should be an Assist Trophy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
To be honest, I'd just rather the palette swap and a trophy (and a sticker) and nothing else.
Labrador Retriever confirmed!
edited 13th Dec '13 1:44:18 AM by MagcargoMan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyMI know, but they could stand to be buffed again. They actually weren't that great before infinite chaingrabs were discovered.
And that aside, the drill-kick is useful as is Mario Cyclone (should either return to their rightful place).
🏳️⚧️she/her | Vio Rhyse AlberiaBowser's is a reference to Super Mario Bros 3, so I understand it wasn't simply a matter of copying Yoshi Bomb.
Although they could differentiate Yoshi Bomb on the ground, considering it never worked like that in the games. Maybe make it so he pounds in the same spot he's standing instead of in front of him.
Actually forget it. It's fine. The more pressing Bowser similarity is Charizard's Flamethrower. Now that needs modifying. They weren't even trying with that one.
edited 13th Dec '13 2:19:58 AM by MagcargoMan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyMOkay, possible new Final Smashes for Bowser:
- Bowser summons his army and they attack everyone
- Bowser attacks from his Koopa Clown Car
- Bowser summons his castle, which lifts the whole stage into the sky
- Kamek sprinkles his spell dust on Bowser, turning him into a version of Giga Bowser that's not completely hideous
- Anything else
Koopa Clown Car and Giant Bowser sound good.
So anyway, to declone Charizard's Flamethower, it should look more like it is in the games; a horizontal pillar of flame. It should have some different mechanics from Bowser's Flame Breath too.
Also, either buff Rock Smash or ditch it. It was crap.
edited 13th Dec '13 2:45:05 AM by MagcargoMan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyMThen it should be buffed.
Funny thing you say that considering that Toon Zelda was actually planned for Brawl, meaning it's more likely that we could have two Zeldas in the roster than two Ganondorfs anyways.
edited 13th Dec '13 3:03:33 AM by KSoniK
Neither is a favourable outcome.
As for Rock Smash, I dunno, it seems kinda boring. Clearly they just made him Pokemon Trainer's HM Slave.
One more thing about Charizard. Fly could use a buff as well. And ditch the fire element. That is not what Fly is about. Instead, make the move look sharper, as if the quick boost in the air is razor sharp.
edited 13th Dec '13 3:05:14 AM by MagcargoMan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Bowser can't shoot fireballs. Only flame streams. And Charizard's Flamethower is just clone of it.
We've already got two characters with a ground pound special. It'd just be a clone move. It's not really needed. Mario feels complete without it.
edited 13th Dec '13 3:50:46 AM by MagcargoMan
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Equipping the MissingNo. sticker increases item drops, doubles one of your attacks (as in makes you have two of it, not doubling the attack power), dramatically lowers your defense, and turns your character into a glitchy, pixellated mess in healing rooms
edited 13th Dec '13 1:13:50 AM by Odd1
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