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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#29151: Dec 12th 2013 at 1:17:33 PM

But should a character in a fighting game just have one thing what makes the character super good? Not really. Overall balance is a good thing.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#29152: Dec 12th 2013 at 1:20:33 PM

Ice Climbers should have their chain-grabbing nerfed but everything else buffed.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#29153: Dec 12th 2013 at 1:21:19 PM

[up]Yes, exactly.

edited 12th Dec '13 1:22:39 PM by CassidyTheDevil

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#29154: Dec 12th 2013 at 1:21:35 PM

Having a game breaking tactic at all is bad balance regardless of the rest of the character's strengths. And the Ice Climbers do have more than that—the fact that they can desync their attacks to keep pressuring their opponent. If the developers made that their main strength rather than Wobbling or just throwing all day, it would be much better balance.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#29155: Dec 12th 2013 at 2:27:20 PM

@Anomalocaris: Really? I can't really hear it, but neat anyways.

I've always thought part of it sounded like a remix of the Darkman Stage BGM.

Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they)
#29156: Dec 12th 2013 at 4:15:35 PM

Sounds like an original composition to me. If I had to pick one song it sounded like it'd be Dark Man's fortress though.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#29157: Dec 12th 2013 at 4:18:44 PM

Hmm, yeah, it does seem to be pretty different from Wily Stage 1. For some reason I thought I had read a comparison between the two somewhere.

That would be a neat theme to have on the stage, though (The Yellow Devil fight music, I mean, not Wily Castle 1).

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#29158: Dec 12th 2013 at 5:56:07 PM

You know who needs to be buffed? Mario. He seems to get worse in each game.

And I'm speaking as someone who mains him in all three games.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29159: Dec 12th 2013 at 5:57:32 PM

I don't know, he was still rather good in Melee. He was just bad in Brawl. They nerfed him horribly.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#29160: Dec 12th 2013 at 5:59:19 PM

Indeed, in Melee he was good, just overshadowed by the Good Doctor.

And he was garbage in Brawl.

edited 12th Dec '13 5:59:40 PM by NesClassic

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#29161: Dec 12th 2013 at 6:27:21 PM

Give his fireballs the oomf of Dr. Mario's pills and he'd probably be better.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29162: Dec 12th 2013 at 7:16:58 PM

Hay you guise wait I didn't comment on the luracio thing lets go back to that :P

Son, I am disappoint.

Hector fans are crying in a corner right now.

Why?

Ice Climbers should have their chain-grabbing nerfed but everything else buffed.

They were.

"The Ice Climbers are one of the few characters to have been truly buffed from SSBM to SSBB. Both Ice Climbers can grab on to a ledge at the same time, and Belay can be a Tether Recovery if the partner grabs a ledge first, then the leader reaches up to the ledge. The Ice Climbers' have more attack power for their special moves (Blizzard is especially buffed if the Ice Climbers are next to the opponent), but they have less smash attack power for K Oing. Both Ice climbers's down smash deals more damage. The Ice Climbers can become separated easier when attacked, but they are a bit stronger by themselves. Down aerial no longer has set knockback, giving it KO potential at very high percentages (above 170%), but it no longer acts as a viable way to maintain the down throw chain grab. The partner can now squall hammer and belay alone, and a lone Ice Climber's Belay gives some slight distance. If the partner hits another character while executing Belay, the move is still completed. The partner AI is significantly advanced (near level 9) so (s)he does not die as easily."

edited 12th Dec '13 7:17:51 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#29163: Dec 12th 2013 at 8:31:21 PM

They could start the Mario fixing process by either making his FLUDD actually a viable move or get rid of it again for something less one-off and gimmicky

The thing showed up in one game (Smash brothers aside) that was released years ago, and nobody seems to like it as far as I can tell. I can't fathom why they decided it would be a good idea to keep it around.

Personally, the fighter I would most enjoy seeing included in 4 would be Toon Ganondorf.

Clone mini link is bad enough. To add in a clone of a clone - especially to the degree of including another 'toon' variation of an existing character - would be...words that are probably best left unsaid in this thread.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#29164: Dec 12th 2013 at 8:34:54 PM

I loved the game, but I do not like FLUDD's inclusion in Smash. Too complicated for someone who should be an entry-level fighter.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#29165: Dec 12th 2013 at 8:38:43 PM

Toon Ganondorf would probably use his swords, differentiating him from regular Ganondorf quite a bit. The problem with Toon Link is that he uses the same items and stuff as regular Link even though he has a bunch of other things to choose from.

TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#29166: Dec 12th 2013 at 9:14:14 PM

[up][up] I wasn't talking about Super Mario Sunshine, I was talking about how I can't recall ever talking to anyone who actually likes having Mario use the FLUDD in Smash Brothers.

[up] If they can't be bothered to give Mini-link - who's already a clone - a moveset of his own, you really think they'd bother to do differently with a clone of Captain Falcon's clone?

Given the limited character space that already exists, having two versions of Ganondorf that would likely be nearly the exact same character - on top of the two versions of link that are already present - would be a waste of space better used for a different character who would be far more likely to have a different moveset and bring their own style to the game.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#29167: Dec 12th 2013 at 9:21:35 PM

Yeah, FLUDD was incredibly poorly implemented. The combination of charge time and ultimately low knockback made it patently useless, not that pure pushing power can't be fearsome (citation: Kyougre and Isaac), but Mario's was weaksauce as hell)

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#29168: Dec 12th 2013 at 9:33:03 PM

What if it used more nozzles?

Hold Down-B —> charge Squirt Nozzle. Tap Down-B after charging —> fire. Tap Down-B without a charge —> switch to Hover Nozzle. Down B with Hover Nozzle: Hover jet. Tap again —> Rocket Nozzle. Hold Down B wih Rocket Nozzle —> Charge and fire rocket launch. Tap again —> Turbo Nozzle. Hold with Turbo Nozzle —> Charge a turbo dash.

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Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#29169: Dec 12th 2013 at 10:13:05 PM

For Mario's down special, I'd be fine with swapping it out for the star spin.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#29170: Dec 13th 2013 at 12:27:25 AM

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the 3DS version gets a different Nintendog. In any case, I'm somewhat disappointed by the implication that the Assist Trophy doesn't spawn a random dog.

[up]I have a feeling that his d-air will be the Star Spin unless they do just that (switch out FLUDD and bring back the Mario Tornado as the Star Spin).

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29171: Dec 13th 2013 at 12:50:10 AM

[up]GAH! The eyes!

I would maybe go with Land 2 actually if Wario returns.

Wario would probably have a Wario Land stage rather than Super Mario Land 2.

Personally, I feel when there is a game and it has a sequel, the first game should get a stage first. For example, Galaxy 1 stage before Galaxy 2 stage (ironically, Sakurai choose to mix both), Endless Ocean 1 stage before Endless Ocean 2 stage, etc.

How about Missingno. as a boss?

Has Nintendo ever acknowledged Missingno in any way?

Screw Tiki, I want Nowi. All shall feel uncomfortably loli girl :-P

Ew...

edited 13th Dec '13 12:55:58 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
eviipaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Some Guy Or Something
#29172: Dec 13th 2013 at 12:51:14 AM

Personally I find it adorable but I guess I could see what you mean.

"Evii is right though" -Saturn "I didn't know you were a bitch Evii." -Lior Val
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#29173: Dec 13th 2013 at 1:00:29 AM

In any case, I'm somewhat disappointed by the implication that the Assist Trophy doesn't spawn a random dog.

No Pug Assist Trophy. sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#29174: Dec 13th 2013 at 1:07:13 AM

Has Nintendo ever acknowledged Missingno in any way?
Yes! They said, "Yes, it exists, now stay the hell away from it or I will cut you!"

(Basically, they acknowledge it exists, but they only acknowledge it insofar as it being a glitch in the programming that is potentially harmful to the game data and have no plans to officially recognize it within the games.)

edited 13th Dec '13 1:07:20 AM by Odd1

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#29175: Dec 13th 2013 at 1:11:13 AM

Although to be fair, that's for Pokemon. Not Smash.

But I doubt it'd be repped in any way. I'd love it to be a regular Trophy that looks rather weird when trying to rotate it. Still love the guy, but yeah, I can understand avoiding it.(be a funny Sticker, though)

Shadow?

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