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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28726: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:45:24 AM

You really don't get that Fighting Clown is not a gimmick, do you?

You don't get that "two characters fighting together" is not a gimmick, do you?

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Honeydance Gina Linetti from 99th Precinct Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#28728: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:47:44 AM

How is that not a gimmick? I'm interested on why you don't think it is.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#28729: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:49:13 AM

That is very much a gimmick- It drastically alters how the Ice Climbers handle as a unit. There's a lot of depth and addition added by that, and a lot of additional challenges to overcome.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:55:47 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#28730: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:54:22 AM

Lucario isn't a clone at all, so I wouldn't even put him on the spectrum.

That's why he's on the far end of the spectrum. He's very much not a clone, but some of his moves make people think "huh. This move sure acts a lot like Shadow Ball..."

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#28731: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:55:35 AM

But that's quite literally it. He's got Aura Sphere, which is a bit like Shadow Ball... and that's it, no more relation to Mewtwo.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28732: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:57:03 AM

I don't think it counts as a clone move if the character he is copying is not in the game. tongue

edited 9th Dec '13 5:57:22 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28733: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:01:43 AM

Ness is totally a clone. He looks nigh-identical, has identical powers ("PSI"), and most of his moves look just like Ness'.

For the same reason, "Dark Pit" would still be a clone even if you gave him a different moveset from Pit.

@Honey: I was just saying, whether or not you call it a "gimmick", it doesn't change the fact that more than one can share that "gimmick" and still be pretty distinct from each other.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28734: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:05:35 AM

[up]That's because Dark Pit literally looks the same as Pit with a palette swap. Ness and Lucas look different enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#28735: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:07:41 AM

It'd be possible to make Dixie/Diddy work together while not making them exactly like the Ice Climbers.

What you could do is make them act more like they do in their own games. Give them a move that lets them switch between being "Player 1," the one who's in control—basically like Zelda/Sheik or the Pokemon Trainer. But the other one, instead of just going off-screen after the switch, follows behind the one in control, and if they fall, you can't switch to them.

Essentially a transformation move that has the restrictions of the Ice Climbers' dual fighters gimmick.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28736: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:08:46 AM

Nope, he's "Ness, but blonde and without a hat". And he's almost literally the same character as Ness, he's an Expy of Ninten.

[up]I was actually thinking they'd carry the other on their backs. That's what they did in DKC 2.

edited 9th Dec '13 6:10:25 AM by CassidyTheDevil

Honeydance Gina Linetti from 99th Precinct Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#28737: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:10:42 AM

@Cassidy

"You don't get that "two characters fighting together" is not a gimmick, do you?"

This is what you said. How is this not a gimmick?

I'm really interested in seeing your perspective on it, honestly.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28738: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:18:13 AM

It's not gimmick because it's not unique in any way, and there's no reason whatsoever that "controlling multiple characters at once" needs to always be the same.

edited 9th Dec '13 6:19:42 AM by CassidyTheDevil

Honeydance Gina Linetti from 99th Precinct Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Gina Linetti
#28739: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:23:15 AM

I agree with your second point, but not your first. Every other character plays solo aside from the Ice Climbers, and that's what makes them different. It's a quirky special feature to play as a double character. They "stand out" from other characters because of this. Gimmick shouldn't be seen as negative, honestly.

edited 9th Dec '13 6:24:18 AM by Honeydance

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#28740: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:32:13 AM

It's not gimmick because it's not unique in any way
Nope, he's "Ness, but blonde and without a hat". And he's almost literally the same character as Ness

edited 9th Dec '13 6:34:01 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Honeydance Gina Linetti from 99th Precinct Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Gina Linetti
#28741: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:34:00 AM

"Nope, he's "Ness, but blonde and without a hat". And he's almost literally the same character as Ness"

aw hell no

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#28742: Dec 9th 2013 at 6:43:33 AM

I think he meant in the context of the Mother games, where...yeah, his design is reminiscent of Ness's (the biggest change, colors aside, is indeed the lack of hat) and both are blank silent protagonists. I don't think he meant in context of Smash Bros.

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Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#28743: Dec 9th 2013 at 7:05:06 AM

...does anyone know of something I could follow directly to keep on top of Smash news? I was using this thread, but my aversion to pointless whining and bitching is kicking in.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#28744: Dec 9th 2013 at 7:09:04 AM

Lucas has some actual character traits beyond "determined psychic kid" though.

Granted, a lot of that personality is brought across before he becomes the main character.

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#28745: Dec 9th 2013 at 7:30:20 AM

[up][up]Well, at least as it's been so far, by checking the website every weekday and watching any new Nintendo Directs, you should get all significant Smash news.

EDIT: On another note, Sakurai's certainly been showing a lot of new stuff lately. Last week we got three new Villager attacks, a new Assist Trophy, and a new stage, and this week we've already gotten a new item. Hooray!

edited 9th Dec '13 7:54:51 AM by beorc

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Honeydance Gina Linetti from 99th Precinct Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Gina Linetti
#28746: Dec 9th 2013 at 8:18:53 AM

Ridley reveal incoming.

I can feel it.

edited 9th Dec '13 8:19:23 AM by Honeydance

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#28747: Dec 9th 2013 at 9:39:44 AM

Thnikkafan's right, a lot of you seem quite... "uppity." Why can't we discuss without almost going at each other's necks?

As for Dixie, she could also use her guitar and maybe summon Kiddy Kong for a few attacks. With that and her useful hair, she can surely be a good character.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28748: Dec 9th 2013 at 9:51:09 AM

I think we're due for another character reveal soon. Probably just another veteran, but who knows?

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KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#28749: Dec 9th 2013 at 9:53:01 AM

I expect a reveal this week.

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#28750: Dec 9th 2013 at 9:54:18 AM

Diddy Kong perhaps. Especially with huge information of Tropical Freeze that just came up.

Shadow?

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