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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#28701: Dec 9th 2013 at 12:09:32 AM

They're really trying desperately to sell the 3DS's launch games, aren't they?

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#28702: Dec 9th 2013 at 12:48:27 AM

Apparently. It's specifically a gun shaped like the submarine from Steel Diver.

Edit: Wow, our trope page on it is kind of sparse...

edited 9th Dec '13 12:49:49 AM by Customer

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28703: Dec 9th 2013 at 1:16:09 AM

Since Dixie was originally planned to be part of a team with Diddy in Brawl, and she's in the next DK game, you think they could include that idea this time? Sakurai did say he was having difficulty with "fighters like the Ice Climbers", which might suggest he's considering other characters like them.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#28704: Dec 9th 2013 at 1:24:44 AM

I don't really see what she'd add.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28705: Dec 9th 2013 at 1:30:40 AM

Another Ice Climbers-type character? Another DK rep? More faithfulness to the DK series? Another female character?

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#28706: Dec 9th 2013 at 1:37:51 AM

The problem is that Diddy is established now. Dixie is redundant with him and simply mimicking a gimmick that already exists isn't exactly impressive.

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Midna Blorbonmyoji (he/she/they) from way down south in the land of the traitors (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#28708: Dec 9th 2013 at 2:12:22 AM

It's specifically a gun shaped like the submarine from Steel Diver.

Of all the things to base a weapon on

edited 9th Dec '13 2:12:33 AM by Midna

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eviipaladin Some Guy Or Something from Middle-Of-Nowhere, NS Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
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#28709: Dec 9th 2013 at 2:52:59 AM

I know this is barely on topic or whatever but I just finished rewatching There Will Be Brawl and am really hoping for a sequel/prequel or something now with Sm4sh on the way.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28710: Dec 9th 2013 at 3:34:52 AM

I don't really see what she'd add.

Same here.

Another Ice Climbers-type character?

That's exactly the problem. The Ice Climbers don't need they're gimmick spammed everywhere. It detracts from their uniqueness. It's like how everyone and their freakin' grandma wants those pointlessly unnecessary "New Pokemon Trainer but from [Insert Gen Here] with [Insert region's first stage Water starter/second stage Grass starter/third stage Fire starter]" ideas.

Basically, what Pulse said here [up][up][up][up]

edited 9th Dec '13 3:39:12 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#28711: Dec 9th 2013 at 4:21:50 AM

Oh, by the way, the Steel Diver submarine gun launches homing torpedoes that start off slowly.

Pic of the day. Q: "Is this a Steel Diver?" A: "Yes, indeed, that is a Steel Diver." The sub from Steel Diver is now a cute projectile weapon—it launches torpedoes that fly slowly at first.
This is... pretty creative use of Steel Diver, actually.

edited 9th Dec '13 4:22:14 AM by NesClassic

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28712: Dec 9th 2013 at 4:40:14 AM

[up]Reminds me of how they made a bomb item that looks like the Hocotate Ship.

I wonder if they'll be a Steel Diver stage? It could be like Poke Floats, but underwater and on all the different submarines instead of Pokemon Balloons.

Speaking of which, apparently the game was meant to have more content, but Miyamoto insisted it didn't need anymore. Darn it, Miyamoto!

edited 9th Dec '13 4:41:23 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#28713: Dec 9th 2013 at 4:43:34 AM

Mr. Miyamoto is surprisingly minimalistic in his games, I've noticed...

edited 9th Dec '13 4:45:41 AM by NesClassic

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28714: Dec 9th 2013 at 4:48:20 AM

[up]Yes, Steel Diver is one of his creations. EDIT: Darn it, you've went and edited your post and this sentence now makes less sense.

If he had listened to whoever said to put more content, it could have turned out better. Minimalism works depending on the game, and sometimes I feel Sakurai seems to think that having more stuff detracts from it (especially regarding his feelings on plot in games).

edited 9th Dec '13 4:48:58 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28715: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:01:22 AM

@Mag: More than one character can share a gimmick and still be very distinct from each other.

Like Wii Fit Trainer and the Villager, both are non-fighters who use moves from their games that didn't actually have anything to do with fighting.

Or Captain Olimar and Pokemon Trainer, both don't fight directly and command mons.

Not to mention the clone characters like Lucas, who according you is deserving to stay.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:05:31 AM by CassidyTheDevil

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#28716: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:07:17 AM

I personally think that the submarine should/is a turret of sort. You pick it up, throw it and then it will move slowly around, firing those torpedoes.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28717: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:09:41 AM

[up][up]Except Diddy is a complete character, and people are just suggesting to make the pair-up for the sake of it. It's pointless. It won't add anything new.

Also Wii Fit Trainer and Villager being Clown Fighters isn't the same gimmick. That's like Bowser and Donkey Kong have the same gimmick by both being Mighty Glaciers. It'd be the same niche (not gimmick) if both fought with Yoga poses or something.

Same goes for the Olimar and Pokemon Trainer comparison. Olimar fights in the field himself and uses Pikmin for most of his attacks. Pokemon Trainer doesn't step on the field at all; you just play as his three pokemon whose switching gimmick is more comparable to the whole Zelda/Sheik thing. And even then Trainer has unique gimmicks like Stamina and Type Weeknesses.

Not to mention the clone characters.

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edited 9th Dec '13 5:13:33 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#28718: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:11:07 AM

[up][up][up]Those aren't really gameplay gimmicks, though. Villager, Mr. Game & Watch and Wii Fit Trainer all functional fight normally, they just have unusual animations for doing fairly usual things.

[up][up]The item is pretty clearly gun-shaped, though.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:12:12 AM by Pulse

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28719: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:16:07 AM

Not to mention the clone characters like Lucas, who according you is deserving to stay.

Not sure why you changed the sentence to be a bit more antagonising, but okay.

That's because Lucas is so close to being decloned. We just need new Specials and new Forward Smash, Down Tilt and Up Aerial moves and he's fully decloned.

Also he's the main protagonist of his game, like Ness is to his game.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:17:15 AM by MagcargoMan

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KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#28720: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:26:30 AM

Not to mention the clone characters like Lucas, who according you is deserving to stay.

And why wouldn't he?

I don't really see what she'd add.

Hair-copter and several other uses of her hair, I suppose.

Since Dixie was originally planned to be part of a team with Diddy in Brawl, and she's in the next DK game, you think they could include that idea this time?

Hopefully not. Dixie should be separate from Diddy.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28721: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:31:02 AM

[up]Even with her hair, overall she doesn't really add anything. A hair spin move that'd be rip-off off Spin Attack/Spinning Kong. And she'd probably play to similarly to Diddy Kong, stat-wise.

If Sakauri is having a slimmer roster this time around I'd rather not have any characters that are similar to others.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:33:30 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28722: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:33:55 AM

Except Diddy is a complete character, and people are just suggesting to make the pair-up for the sake of it. It's pointless. It won't add anything new.

Yes it would actually, it would add several new things. Like a new DK rep.

Also Wii Fit Trainer and Villager being Clown Fighters isn't the same gimmick. That's like Bowser and Donkey Kong have the same gimmick by both being Mighty Glaciers. It'd be the same niche (not gimmick) if both fought with Yoga poses or something.

Those aren't really gameplay gimmicks, though. Villager, Mr. Game & Watch and Wii Fit Trainer all functional fight normally, they just have unusual animations for doing fairly usual things.

Except it is the same gimmick. "Gimmick" doesn't just mean what something looks like, it's a concept. And WFT's and Villager's concept is identical.

Also, it doesn't make any sense for you say something that actually pretty general (like a fighting team) should never be repeated, but very specific concepts (a character from a game who never fought in-game using moves from their series that were never combat related) can be.

And who's to say DD+DX wouldn't fight in a unique way? You don't know that.

As for Lucas, he's irrelevant. First off he's a clone, secondly his game was never released outside of Japan (compare Ness), and thirdly Mother 3 did very poorly.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:34:27 AM by CassidyTheDevil

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#28723: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:36:14 AM

I don't think she'd have to be too much like Diddy. For one thing, no popguns or jetpack. As for the general fighting style? For some reason, Shante-esque ponytail whipping comes to mind.

Edit: Lucus is not a clone! He has perhaps six moves, out of his entire moveset, that are comparable to Ness's moves. Specifically, his specials, forward smash, and final smash. Toon Link is a clone. Falco is a somewhat differentiated clone. So is Luigi. Lucas is far further towards the Lucario end of the "is this a clone character?" spectrum.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:39:43 AM by Enlong

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#28724: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:36:53 AM

Are we arguing over semantics again? I thought we were trying to stop that.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28725: Dec 9th 2013 at 5:43:36 AM

Yes it would actually, it would add several new things. Like a new DK rep.

K Rool will, and always will be, the superior option for a third DK rep.

Except it is the same gimmick. "Gimmick" doesn't just mean what something looks like, it's a concept. And WFT's and Villager's concept is identical.

lolno.

Also, it doesn't make any sense for you say something that actually pretty general (like a fighting team) should never be repeated, but very specific concepts (a character from a game who never fought in-game using moves from their series that were never combat related) can be.

You really don't get that Fighting Clown is not a gimmick, do you? Characters fighting when they can't fight in their own games is a very broad range thing. It's been done in Smash in every installment (Captain Falcon, Mr Game & Watch, R.O.B.). Meanwhile, tehre is one and only one duo in Smash. It's not "pretty general". If anything, "a character from a game who never fought in-game using moves from their series that were never combat related" is the more general one.

And who's to say DD+DX wouldn't fight in a unique way? You don't know that.

It's change for the sake of change. Diddy is fine by himself as is.

As for Lucas, he's irrelevant. First off he's a clone, secondly his game was never released outside of Japan (compare Ness), and thirdly Mother 3 did very poorly.

First of all he can be decloned (if Sakurai decides to think outside the square when it comes to non-new franchise newcomers), secondly Nintendo is a Japanese company and Mother 3 has a large fanbase outside of Japan anyway, and thirdly I'm pretty sure there are some series that are repped in Smash that have sold poorly and that's a stupid reason anyway.

[up]You can stop that by telling him his semantics are wrong.

[up][up]Lucario isn't a clone at all, so I wouldn't even put him on the spectrum.

edited 9th Dec '13 5:45:13 AM by MagcargoMan

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