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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28076: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:22:10 PM

Ew no.

They're adorable. People who don't like babies are soulless monsters.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#28077: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:23:32 PM

Baby mammals are often cute, but humans are a big exception.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#28078: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:24:21 PM

Zelda could not fight at close range in any capacity outside of stuff not made by Nintendo. That is, the Cartoons and CD-i games, plus obviously fangames.

That stuff was created solely by Sakurai so she could fight at close range. Just like he did with Fox, and Falcon, and Ness(since when did he punch and kick in his series?), etc.

The whole point is there's no reason he can't easily make up some close range moves for Kamek, and just because he'd be obviously better for long range doesn't mean he can't have any close range attacks. He has a wand. Who says he can't smack someone with it? Made up stuff has to exist for SSB and has since the start. And through all three games, and obviously will in For.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#28079: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:25:18 PM

The clear choice for a close range Kamek move is hitting people with flip-flops.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28080: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:25:19 PM

[up][up][up][up]They're tacked-on cute. And annoying.

It's not proper cute. It's that cheap kind where you just give a baby version of someone a big head and eyes and call it a day.

And what's stopping Kamek fom having a moveset including some close range wand-swipes or exploisions or whatever? It's not like Zelda's moveset wasn't made out of whole cloth either.

Well normally I don't like taking massive liberties. And Zelda's been like that for two Smash games so it's not like we can go back and change it.

Ness(since when did he punch and kick in his series?

Would you bother punching and kicking if you had a baseball bat and pyschic powers?

edited 1st Dec '13 9:27:22 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#28081: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:26:52 PM

Zelda had only once fought at long range, too, with that sealing beam thing from Ocarina. And it's not in her arsenal in Smash. So it's kind of disingenuous to say that her close-range arsenal, in particular, was what was made up.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28082: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:30:40 PM

They're tacked-on cute. And annoying.

Not really...It's part of their backstory, not tacked-on. And have you been around a real baby? The baby bros. crying is actually very mild.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28083: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:31:54 PM

[up]No, it's this annoying trope in media where whenever they make a baby version of someone, they always have big heads and googly eyes. It irritates me. You can make things look cute without doing that.

And have you been around a real baby? The baby bros. crying is actually very mild.

I never ever said their crying was the reason they annoyed me.

edited 1st Dec '13 9:32:46 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#28084: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:32:00 PM

[up][up][up]And Twilight Princess with the Light Arrows, technically.

edited 1st Dec '13 9:32:06 PM by Demonfly

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#28086: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:34:22 PM

Both made after Melee.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28087: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:34:33 PM

Now, what's going on here regarding Kamek? I kinda skimmed.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28088: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:35:27 PM

No, it's this annoying trope in media where whenever they make a baby version of someone, they always have big heads and googly eyes. It irritates me. You can make things look cute without doing that.

That's because actual babies look almost exactly like that. They've got huge heads and big eyes. That's not a "trope" at all.

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#28089: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:35:39 PM

Even Zelda's specials(save Transform) weren't just the original Spells in OOT. They all got remade for Smash. Where as Link's were not really that different from the originals at all. In the Bombs' case, 3D incarnations only.

Also, while I am not a fan of the Babies, they were hardly tacked-on and had importance to the storyline. But I don't like loud crying, as it hurts my ears. Besides that, they are presented in a decently likable manner(IMO). I really like how they separated the abilities in Partners in Time between them and the Adults. But seriously, the crying is the only thing that bothers me about them, and I have reasons for that(sensitive ears).

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28090: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:35:46 PM

[up][up][up][up]And she didn't use Light Arrows in Melee so it's a moot point.

[up][up]I mean really exaggerated. Like they almost have anime-sized eyes in media.

Baby Sponge Bob for example. Or Baby Looney Toons. It. Annoys. Me.

Not to mention the baby characters in Mario usually end up being filler on rosters. Look at Mario Kart Wii.

edited 1st Dec '13 9:39:02 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#28091: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:37:41 PM

Does anyone think Zael or... whoever the main character of Pandora's Tower is (I need to get that game some day) might make a good character?

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#28092: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:38:41 PM

I think Nintendo only has at most partial rights to Last Story or Pandora's Tower, though.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28093: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:39:16 PM

@Mag: And yet, the baby bros have tiny eyes...

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28094: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:40:57 PM

[up]Still have big heads and are spin-off roster filler for games like Mario Kart.

They're fine in Yoshi's Island or Mario games with Time Travel, but they don't need to be used outside of it.

edited 1st Dec '13 9:41:36 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#28095: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:41:36 PM

[up][up][up]Ah, a shame.

I wonder what Kirby's dash attack will be this time. Spin Kick? Ninja dash? Tidal Wave?

edited 1st Dec '13 9:41:46 PM by Enlong

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28096: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:44:55 PM

A baby with a head that isn't huge would actually be deformed. >.>

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#28098: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:49:09 PM

Which would only be concerning if Mario was proportioned anything like a real human being in the first place. He is not.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28099: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:50:08 PM

[up]His proportions as an adult are more normal though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#28100: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:51:21 PM

still has a pretty big head

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