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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#28051: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:19:16 PM

To continue that list, Shulk, Seven, Takamaru, Sveta, K. Rool,

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#28052: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:22:29 PM

I don't think Seven counts. Xenoblade was good but it wasn't a runaway success. I think Shulk and maybe a stage is the most representation it will get.

edited 1st Dec '13 7:22:43 PM by Kostya

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28053: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:25:26 PM

The only real areas where I feel Brawl was a step down from Melee were in Target Test being only 5 maps rather than 1 per character, and while Brawl's trophies are more numerous they lacked the same kind of variety Melee's had. Brawl's were almost entirely model imports from the most recent games, while Melee would dig further into past games (Giving a chosen series a fair balance between new and old) and would create models for things from sprite-era games rather than just import the most recent models.

Though Melee was sort of "forced" to do that, it was one of the first games on the Gamecube, so even if they wanted to just be lazy and import models all they had were polygonal N64 models. Whereas as a mid-life Wii game Brawl could import from other Wii games and higher-quality Gamecube games without it looking out of place.

As far as battle mechanics go, Brawl isn't perfect, but it's closer to the ideal center than Melee is in my opinion. It's just on the opposite end of the spectrum, creating an awkward transition. I'm pleased that 4 will apparently be a medium between the two.

edited 1st Dec '13 7:27:36 PM by Anomalocaris20

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28054: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:27:52 PM

I think Ridley, Medusa, and King K. Rool are deserving, but likely? It's difficult for me to imagine them actually getting in. IDK though.

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#28055: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:29:51 PM

There's really no way to tell who is returning or would easily get in, honestly. Just wait and see at this point.

edited 1st Dec '13 7:30:15 PM by Irene

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28056: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:29:54 PM

Pretty much every character I explicitly want is a villain. Ridley, K. Rool, Medusa, Kamek, and while not a villain, Little Mac.

I want more characters than just those five, it's just I don't really care WHO. tongue

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#28057: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:30:47 PM

[up][up]Why? They're villains of popular and recently successful franchises. They're probably some of the biggest villains Nintendo has next to the big ones like Bowser and Ganon. They're basically on the same tier as Wolf(some might even be above him) and he got in.

Who do you think is likely to get in?

edit: By the way. If we're only getting ten newcomers I want the three we have so far and these seven:

  • Ridley
  • Medusa
  • Isaac
  • Little Mac
  • Shulk
  • Chrom
  • Krystal

I also want Mewtwo but he's technically a returning fighter rather than a newcomer.

edited 1st Dec '13 7:32:54 PM by Kostya

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28058: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:33:03 PM

I think Medusa and Kamek are more likely than Ridley or Rool, since Medusa is from a recent game and one of Sakurai's personal projects, while Kamek is easy to implement and has recently been given a relevance boost (Though mainly in Mario games- I'd like Kamek to count as a Yoshi rep).

Ridley is more likely than Rool since he's been recently relevant, whereas Rool has been stuck with nothing more than an appearance in Barrel Blast and Super Sluggers since DK 64.

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#28059: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:34:50 PM

Easier to implement? K. Rool has a ton of moves he could use, though.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#28060: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:35:23 PM

I think you're selling Ridley short. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the most requested characters. Aside from Mega Man who(just got in) I can't think of a character that was as desired as him around the time 4 was revealed.

edited 1st Dec '13 7:35:56 PM by Kostya

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28061: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:45:24 PM

He's probably the most requested, it's just that implementing him is a challenge given his "too big" design and such.

I think he's possible and hope he gets in, it's just he's harder to implement than a humanoid like Medusa or Kamek.

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#28062: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:48:33 PM

Wouldn't Bowser Jr. be a far better pick for an additional Mario/villain rep than Kamek, though? The former has much more going for him than the latter.

And Rool's "relevance" issues could be easily rectified as long as the new DKC game gives the guy at least some degree of limelight. Past that, yeah, he has more than enough resources to draw a movepool from.

edited 1st Dec '13 7:49:22 PM by Demonfly

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28063: Dec 1st 2013 at 8:19:59 PM

I'm sick of this relevance BS. K Rool doesn't need to appear in a new DK game to deserve his inclusion. He was the Big Bad of the DKC trilogy, DK 64 and a few other games. He's the antagonist you associate with the DK series.

He doesn't need some shallow advertising reason to appear. He's earnt his place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#28064: Dec 1st 2013 at 8:26:04 PM

One correction; He only deserves his place if Sakurai thinks he deserves to be in.

Otherwise, agreed. He definitely can be in and did more than enough to do so. Not that you need to do much to get in either(Ice Climbers, for instance, were not beyond big). There's kind of no specific way to get in(that we know of, respectively) outside of Pokemon, where being the most relevant actually does matter for Sakurai's choices.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28065: Dec 1st 2013 at 8:34:46 PM

I also doubt Kamek will be playable. Magikoopa's are historically known for not fighting directly.

It's why in Super Mario World their shtick is to cast spells from a distance and teleport away. It's why in Yoshis Island he just powers up bosses and is The Unfought.

In New Super Mario Bros Wii, the only platformer where Kamek is directly fought, he fights just like a Magikoopa from World, and gets his butt handed to him easily.

He's a Squishy Wizard, basically.

edited 1st Dec '13 8:35:16 PM by MagcargoMan

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#28066: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:07:04 PM

Oh, and Mewtwo.

He's not exactly a newcomer, but he's someone who wasn't in the last Smash game who I think should be in this one.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#28067: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:08:35 PM

[up][up]Kamek is really the only sensible choice for a second Yoshi-counted character, and besides, we've already got Mega Man, among others, as zoning specialists.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28068: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:14:48 PM

[up]But Mega Man can fight close up and and stuff. Kamek just casts spells from a distance. He's useless in close-quarters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#28069: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:16:04 PM

@Pulse: No, Baby Mario or a Baby Mario/Baby Luigi duo would be a much better Yoshi rep.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#28070: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:16:32 PM

[up][up] I believe Sakurai has said that Mega Man has only two moves that aren't ranged.

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#28071: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:17:03 PM

Mega Man has all of 4 close range moves, though. I imagine even the squishiest of wizards could manage tht much. Like, whacking someone over the head with a magic wand, or making a magical explosion aorund one's hand, or something.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28072: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:19:19 PM

[up][up]The point is Mega Man actually can fight at close range, which has been seen in many of his games.

No, Baby Mario or a Baby Mario/Baby Luigi duo would be a much better Yoshi rep.

Ew no.

edited 1st Dec '13 9:19:58 PM by MagcargoMan

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#28073: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:19:19 PM

Eh, Kamek is the only Yoshi rep I'd like if any. IMO, of course.

Also, Zelda even without Sheik shows she can clearly fight as a Squishy Wizard and win. Of course, she's based around being used with Sheik. Kamek can be created where he doesn't rely on some kind of partner at all. He can do just about anything Sakurai can think of. Like his Paper Mario counterpart Kammy, he can borrow moves here and there. He can create blocks to attack with, for instance.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#28074: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:20:58 PM

Also, Zelda even without Sheik shows she can clearly fight as a Squishy Wizard and win

Except she can actually fight at close range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#28075: Dec 1st 2013 at 9:21:30 PM

Though, either costume for Zelda can be used as a sole character effectively enough.

[up] And what's stopping Kamek fom having a moveset including some close range wand-swipes or exploisions or whatever? It's not like Zelda's moveset wasn't made out of whole cloth either.

edited 1st Dec '13 9:22:17 PM by Enlong

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