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lightdarkhero250 Quad Optometrist from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#27801: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:23:14 PM

[up]I think that'd be rather hard to pull off and somewhat of an unfair advantage to give to Sonic as they would have to program an entirely different model, given that Metal Sonic actually barely looks at all close to the design of regular Modern Sonic, which would also mean they'd have to change hitboxes and the proportions of his attacks entirely for what happens when one character picks up an item that normally just changes variables and temporarily recolors any other character...

edited 21st Nov '13 2:25:11 PM by lightdarkhero250

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27802: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:24:29 PM

Not really at all. There's a Metal Sonic skin available in Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut for Sonic. Nothing is changed besides what he looks like. It can be exactly the same with no physical differences whatsoever.

They share an extremely similar body, after all.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#27803: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:26:00 PM

It'd be a little unfair.

Plus Meta Sonic's movement animation is way different. He's always using his back thrusters.

ninja'd.

I wouldn't want a Metal Sonic costume unless it's functional, and a functioning Metal Sonic doesn't really fit in Smash Bros. I don't want Metal Sonic included if he's purely aesthetic.

edited 21st Nov '13 2:27:15 PM by FOFD

lightdarkhero250 Quad Optometrist from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#27804: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:26:36 PM

The thing is, while that works in a 3D adventure game where hitboxes are really not much of an issue when your only attacks usually turn you into a ball that homes in on or somersaults into enemies...In a competitive fighting game you can kinda see a problem there.

edited 21st Nov '13 2:29:00 PM by lightdarkhero250

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27805: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:28:24 PM

Hard to see a problem when even in that game, he didn't have those additions. Nor are there hitbox differences whatsoever. The only difference is slightly different animations, but that's not as big of a deal. No new hitboxes are required, and no, he doesn't have to use his thrusters to jump. It's just a skin, after all.

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#27806: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:29:56 PM

I'd rather Metal Sonic be an alt if anything, and even then I'd prefer the Virtual hedgehog to be a skin.

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lightdarkhero250 Quad Optometrist from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#27807: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:32:10 PM

[up][up]...But, they are literally completely different in shape and structure—Metal Sonic has a rounder body, thinner legs/arms and an entirely different head.

You also have to think that that'd be a little too much effort and hard work to code and program for a temporary item that specifically effects one exact character differently than it does all the rest, that some people barely even use, or could turn off altogether.tongue

edited 21st Nov '13 2:33:32 PM by lightdarkhero250

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#27808: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:32:50 PM

[up][up][up]

Well then it's not really Metal Sonic then, is it? It's Sonic with body paint, and most likely the same voice clips. I don't want that.

The idea of him turning into Metal Sonic with the Metal Box is cool, but unless we're talking about Prototype, skins are lame.

edited 21st Nov '13 2:33:13 PM by FOFD

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27809: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:33:09 PM

If Metal Sonic appears in Smash for, I'd vote for an Assist Trophy or a boss.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27810: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:34:01 PM

They aren't really that different at all design-wise. It'd work perfectly fine as a skin. And considering you do face him a full time during Single Player and do have a Metal Mode as an option, well... that's not exactly correct.

It's also a good reference to one of the Sonic series' more interesting characters. Still, he'd make a great skin.

[up][up] Depends the specific media. Metal Sonic has been Sonic roboticized before in the Comics. So yes, it kind of is Metal Sonic. Plus, he already can go Metal in Brawl, so it's not like he can't just look better this time.

edited 21st Nov '13 2:35:05 PM by Irene

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#27811: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:35:30 PM

The only issue I see is I wonder if he'd look silly doing the 8-run or not.

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#27812: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:40:07 PM

Depends the specific media. Metal Sonic has been Sonic roboticized before in the Comics. So yes, it kind of is Metal Sonic. Plus, he already can go Metal in Brawl, so it's not like he can't just look better this time.
You are aware that Sega has nothing to with the comics beyond selling the license and in fact has very much ignored them since the beginning, right? I'm almost completely certain that only the games are considered in regards to Smash, and in the games, Metal Sonic is a distinct entity from Sonic who debuted in Sonic CD.

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lightdarkhero250 Quad Optometrist from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#27813: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:41:05 PM

All in all, I'm just gonna say it's highly unlikely that Nintendo would devote that much effort for one tiny thing for a third-party character. If they were gonna bother to create what is essentially a costume, they'd just make it an alt.costume, not a side-effect of something relatively minor.

...There's also the thing in that Metal Sonic isn't as slow or heavy as Metal SSB Characters are, but I won't even bother going further into that point...

edited 21st Nov '13 2:42:14 PM by lightdarkhero250

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27814: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:43:27 PM

That wasn't the point, Pulse. The point was that yes, Sonic has been Metal Sonic before. Twice, one being a Bonus in DX, and of course his Comics version.

It wouldn't matter if he was one in here as well. Makes more sense than a regular costume, at least. Metal Sonic looking like Metal Sonic doesn't seem odd to me.

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#27815: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:44:24 PM

It would be like there being an item that turned Mario into Wario, Irene.

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#27816: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:45:56 PM

You mean this guy, Mecha Sonic?

This is what Metal Sonic looked like in SA:DX.

I don't know, maybe there's more specific examples and you're right (albeit, what was just said above), the skin could be made and everyone wins. Even if there was, I wouldn't care much for it.

On that note, people have been mentioning alt costumes a lot lately. Was there some announcement about each character having an additional costumes I missed?

edited 21st Nov '13 2:47:06 PM by FOFD

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27817: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:48:02 PM

[up] That's exactly what I'm talking about. He looks just like Sonic, has the same hitboxes, etc. No actual differences beyond the skin. That would be perfect for when he's turned Metal.

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#27818: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:49:01 PM

[up][up]Nope! But the "what if?" factor is off the charts. X3

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27819: Nov 21st 2013 at 2:51:11 PM

The fact that the male Wii Fit Trainer is a thing gives a lot of hope.

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#27820: Nov 21st 2013 at 4:06:03 PM

RE: Werehog pedantrynote : It's what that form of Sonic is officially called. It's not like I made it up or anything.

RE: Metal Sonic: Would be better off as his own character. Archie Mecha Sonic would be cool to see though. Amusingly (on a random side note), there have been "Metal" variations (as in, based on Metal Sonic from CD) of Sonic's friends in the comics too.

@FOFD: There was a screenshot showing the Wii Fit Trainer with her male counterpart. I don't remember if it was directly stated to be an alternate costume/model, but it's hard to imagine it as anything else.

edited 21st Nov '13 4:07:18 PM by Customer

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27821: Nov 21st 2013 at 4:07:19 PM

It was not stated at all. Nobody knows what it's supposed to be.

If it's somehow not an alternate costume, it's an Assist Trophy. I'm still leaning towards Alt.

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#27822: Nov 21st 2013 at 4:44:07 PM

This should totally be a Peach alt.

(I know I ramble about theoretical alternate costumes a lot, but bear with me. The costume in question, from what I gather, was what Peach was shown wearing in promotional images for the Kyoto Cross Media Experience back in 2009.)

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#27824: Nov 21st 2013 at 5:49:32 PM

Yadda yadda Olimar alt.

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