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nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#27751: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:10:24 AM

@Think I really meant that in the sense that the mere mention of Toon Link always seem to bring about this type of argument about whether or not he deserves to be included and about the role of clones in Smash in general.

edited 21st Nov '13 7:10:54 AM by nigelstack345

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#27752: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:12:09 AM

[up]Of course he deserves to return. He just deserves a moveset with Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass gear.

It'd be nice if they decloned Lucas too. They're so close! Only three of his regular moves are clone moves. Most of the work would go to new specials and then he's done.

edited 21st Nov '13 7:14:46 AM by MagcargoMan

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ScorpioRat from Houston, Texas Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#27753: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:14:17 AM

@Irene: It still ends up being somewhat redundant if Toon Link has a very similar moveset even though his set of games that he represents could of given him more options that that. It would have served to show the differences between the two Links in a more than visual way while giving them their own sets of strengths and weaknesses as fighters. They'd get seperate uses in battles instead of competing.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27754: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:15:46 AM

Stuff like the Skill Hammer (or flying hammer), Deku Leaf, Sand Wand, and other such items would be cool.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#27755: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:19:26 AM

[up]Agreed. Although Toon Link is specifically the Hero of Winds, so as cool as the Sand Wand would be, I'd rather not.

I can imagine how it'd work though. But the way it'd work is how I imagined PK Earth would work for Lucas.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27756: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:25:29 AM

I'd like to see a Toon Zelda.

Either as Tetra, in a Sheik-like configuration (though with an entirely different moveset, obviously), or as her descendent, possessing a Phantom armor with a variety of abilities (curling into a ball, teleporting)

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27757: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:44:04 AM

@Scorpio Rat: Those would make good A moves, maybe they could also give Toon Link the ability to glide with his Deku Leaf. But I'd prefer to stick with his most iconic moves/items for B moves specifically. His Final Smash should change from Link's, though. That was silly.

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#27758: Nov 21st 2013 at 7:59:52 AM

Many altered attacks/items which people commonly advocate for Toon Link are quite iconic to the series - the Hammer, for example, has been around since The Adventure of Link. Though regarding spin attacks - I would personally prefer the Hurricane Spin for a side-B, instead of a Final Smash.

edited 21st Nov '13 8:00:32 AM by Null

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TheHeroHartmut Too hot to hoot from Probably not right behind you (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Singularity
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#27759: Nov 21st 2013 at 8:07:19 AM

Personally, with regards to Lucas, I'd like to see a moveset on him that more accurately reflect how he plays in Mother 3. Like Ninten and Ness, he has high physical strength, and his PSI mostly revolves around healing and buffing, with one powerful (but inefficient, from the perspective of PP) line of offensive PSI. It'd be interesting to see how a Barrier Warrior-type character would work in a game series like SSB, I think.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27760: Nov 21st 2013 at 8:11:57 AM

Side B: PSI Counter
Down B: Counter
B: PK Flash
Up B: ...Rope Snake? Coffee Table? LaDdEr?

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Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#27761: Nov 21st 2013 at 8:27:35 AM

Perhaps he could be thrown upwards by Hinawa's ghost.

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Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#27762: Nov 21st 2013 at 9:06:45 AM

Maybe have Lucas keep Thunder for his Up-B, and give Ness PK Teleport (spins around and disappears, then reappears a set distance away launched in a chosen direction).

(is a bit biased because Lucas is my best character in Brawl)

edited 21st Nov '13 9:07:06 AM by Blueeyedrat

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27763: Nov 21st 2013 at 9:10:12 AM

[up] I like that idea.

Ness already has less elemental attacks than Lucas, being PK Flash and his PSI Shield. Maybe he could get a new move instead of PK Fire returning?

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27764: Nov 21st 2013 at 9:10:45 AM

I considered Lucas using PK Shield to generate a series of barriers in a ramp to run up for his Up Special.

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TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#27765: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:06:53 AM

Worst. Rule. Ever.

Quoted for truth.

They're two different kinds of Links. You can't really rep the Toon games with adult Link or vice versa with Toon Link. In order to properly show them off, you need both versions there. Likewise, since there is no such thing as a "Toon Link" in the Zelda games proper, he's just showing off yet another Link with the same iconic moves as normal. Makes sense, really.

It makes no sense!

You don't need the "toon games" represented separately from the "adult Link" games. They're all Legend of Zelda games. What, other than the art style, separates the likes of Wind Waker from the likes of Twilight Princess and Oracle of Time?

There might as well be an argument made that there needs to be a "Sprite Link" to represent the overhead 2D Lo Z games.

Of course he deserves to return.

Personally, I'm not so sure that he does. The idea of having two Links strikes me as being in the same category of unnecessity as having two versions of Mario (Luigi aside) or two versions of Samus. Or bringing back Pichu (or introducing Richu).

Though it wouldn't be nearly as bad if he at least brought a different move set to the table.

edited 21st Nov '13 10:09:51 AM by TheSpaceJawa

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27766: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:16:16 AM

[up][up] Wait, so the idea is for him to have PK Teleport instead of Ness? tongue

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27767: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:17:13 AM

I don't know if this was discussed but what would a Fairy type Stadium stage look like? We've discussed other types before but I don't know what they'd do for that one.

beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
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#27768: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:20:30 AM

Extremely pink. Blindingly pink.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#27769: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:21:39 AM

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Sailing, Princess Tetra, sailing, being at sea, fighting style, height, being on a ship. I only played the demo for Windwaker, but from a non-gameplay focused point of view, Smash Bros is all about bringing Nintendo's iconic characters into the spotlight. Toon Link, Windwaker, Windwaker HD, Four Swords - that was all some pretty heavy stuff, a definite shift for the series, the beginning of an era, the same kind of shift that Sonic 2006, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, and Megaman X were. So I think Toon Link qualifies.

Of course, then there's Paper Mario and Princess Rosalina, the latter whom fans are already asking for. Unlike Link, however, Paper Mario is still Mario, just with a different art style. Toon Link is an actual Link from another timeline.

Pokemon stages

It'd be cute if we had a stage that took place on one of the routes or towns. Or maybe a stage that takes place "inside of a Pokeball", and periodically, the ball gets thrown and the Pokemon is released. The players would be shrunken down, while two giant Pokemon fought in the background, and would eventually be returned to the darkness of the Pokeball...

...sounds graphically demanding. But come on, who doesn't want to see the inside of one those things? Or how about a stage inside of a Pokemon Center, or in front of one?

edited 21st Nov '13 10:31:40 AM by FOFD

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#27770: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:24:36 AM

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edited 21st Nov '13 10:24:49 AM by Grounder

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27771: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:25:11 AM

With his own tools, too.

Anyway

I imagine a Fairy stadium would have a constant updraft fulfill if flower petals, with a giant flower bud floating in the center as the platform.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27772: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:29:57 AM

I picture it having sort of an odd aura to it, like a pinky haze- The Fairy type is a little Fairytale, a little The Fair Folk, a little Light 'em Up, after all.

edited 21st Nov '13 10:32:38 AM by Pulse

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27773: Nov 21st 2013 at 10:31:32 AM

Maybe there'd be a full moon in the background.

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TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#27774: Nov 21st 2013 at 11:07:53 AM

Unlike Link, however, Paper Mario is still Mario, just with a different art style. Toon Link is an actual Link from another timeline.

Toon Link is not more a different type of Link than Paper Mario is a different type of Mario. Especially since the Paper Mario games are an entirely different genre from the main series compared to Mini Link merely coming from "another timeline".

Again, just about every Lo Z game has a different Link from the rest and the 2D Lo Z games might as well have different enough gameplay to justify a Sprite Link if Mini Link is going to be justified by a difference in gameplay and "timelines". Or we might as well have Prime Samus to go along with Samus classic given what you're saying about game shifts and era.

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