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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27601: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:17:50 PM

I love Wario's Chomp attack. True, it isn't really based in his games aside from his gluttonous eating, but eating enemies and items is just too much fun for me to care.

It's hilarious that he can eat stuff faster than Kirby or Dedede.

Maybe they could change his Down-Smash to resemble the Earthquake Punch, or make his Forward-Smash more recognizably his shoulder charge.

edited 19th Nov '13 9:18:50 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#27602: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:21:22 PM

Seriously, I want 'em both. Lucas should be made more distinct from Ness, of course, but I don't think axing him is a good idea, especially not for a character who historically can't fight without a giant spider mech.

IDK, Ness is cute, but somehow Lucas just looks unnatural with that hair. And a new villain would be a lot more interesting than a clone.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27603: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:22:31 PM

Porky doesn't really fight outside of his mech, though.

In Earthbound the worst he does is be a taunting brat until he's in his mech, and in Mother 3 he's confined to it for the whole game since he's an old geezer.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#27604: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:25:59 PM

Oooh. What if Porky was an Assist Trophy who leapt out, tripped when he hit the floor, then cowered on an edge of the stage? He can't affect the players or even be targetted by them. He'd be the Goldeen of Trophies.

Wait, do we have a useless Trophy already? And don't say Starfy.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27605: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:27:13 PM

No. They all do something decent-to-awesome. Dr. Wright can easily miss, though.

Shadow?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27606: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:29:32 PM

I'm gonna say Starfy anyway. tongue

Mr. Resetti is kinda useless, though, but in a good way.

None of them are literally useless, though, since at least Mr. Resetti blocks attacks and can deal damage when he explodes with rage.

If we got another Assist Trophy from Mother, I'd rather it be Fassad, attacking players with either bombs or PSI and when he's done, he eats a banana and leaves the peel behind where he despawns.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27607: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:48:10 PM

If Lucas is a clone, then Wolf is.

Draw your own conclusions from that, you already know mine.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#27608: Nov 19th 2013 at 9:48:43 PM

So Wolf is overall better than Fox? tongue

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#27609: Nov 19th 2013 at 10:06:44 PM

IMO Garchomp would be a much better choice for a playable character from 4th gen Pokemon than Lucario.

Or maybe even Giratina, that'd be neat.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27610: Nov 19th 2013 at 10:14:36 PM

Audino... while Garchomp is at least somewhat humanoid-shaped, Giratina is just crazypants.

For some reason, that reminded me of how much I want a Stadium 3, with a Fairy-type stage shift.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27611: Nov 19th 2013 at 10:15:12 PM

Lucario works fine, I think. I'd like to see it return for 4.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#27612: Nov 19th 2013 at 10:33:45 PM

Lucario is one of the ugliest 4th gen Pokemon, after Bibarel and Floatzel.

[up][up]True...Just got that idea from Wikipedia's article on Giratina, someone suggested that.

edited 19th Nov '13 10:36:33 PM by CassidyTheDevil

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27613: Nov 19th 2013 at 10:35:24 PM

Pfft.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27614: Nov 19th 2013 at 10:35:24 PM

I actually find their designs pretty neat. So YMMV.

Lucario is however the main mascot of the 4th Gen, so he feels like the best representation of that Generation as you can get.

Shadow?
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27615: Nov 19th 2013 at 10:57:31 PM

I wonder how Lucario would change, if at all, for For.

If it were me, I'd make his Extremespeed look faster and maybe do damage. And probably fold his mega evolution into his Final Smash. And rename it Flash Cannon.

I figure Final Smashes are probably the best way to use Mega Evolutios in any case, though. Like, with Mewtwo, he could go into his X form and beat up on a target before going to his Y form and using Psystrike. Sort of like Great Aether, but with a wide-ranged finisher.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27616: Nov 19th 2013 at 11:06:03 PM

I can see Lucario turning Mega for its final smash, but I think Mewtwo would work better just using Psystrike in its base form.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27617: Nov 19th 2013 at 11:53:08 PM

Maybe have Mewtwo randomly use Mega-X or Mega-Y for functionally-identical Final Smashes? X uses Close Combat and seemingly appears everywhere in range at once, Y uses Psystrike and drops a bunch of those psychic particles everywhere in range?

I sure said that!
CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#27618: Nov 20th 2013 at 12:02:20 AM

Maybe Mewtwo's mega evolutions could be exclusive to each version?

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#27619: Nov 20th 2013 at 2:15:34 AM

While neither of the Mega Mewtwos are any more important than one another, Mega Mewtwo Y seems to be the one they did all of their advertising with...

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#27620: Nov 20th 2013 at 3:28:09 AM

If you don't mind me getting back to the Project M bit, I certainly won't say there isn't condescension on the part of the fans and developers. But to say that it's "stripping the fun out of the game" is kinda being condescending in the opposite way. I play Smash competitively because I enjoy the different experience it offers from other fighting games due to how free-form it is and the variety (mostly) of the viable roster. That doesn't mean I won't play the game with all items on playing on Flat Zone or something, though, and I'm sure many other competitive players will say no different. It's just a different kind of fun when you're dead focused on beating the other guy than just fooling around. Project M is more focused on the former, that's it.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27621: Nov 20th 2013 at 6:28:46 AM

Those are very much not enough. And Final Destination is not balanced either. It severely supports Projectile users. The two best balanced were solely Battlefield and Smashville. Brawl had too many stages that were hazardous, but only 2 that weren't ridiculous or catering to a specific set of characters.

Melee lacked this problem, even Smash 64 did.

But how? You know only four of Smash 64's stages are allowed in Tournament Play, right?

My problem with Brawl stages was that too many of them were "cruise" type stages, with simple stages and the point being how it scrolled around, like Lylat Cruise, Pirate Ship, Halberd, Plaza Delfino, etc.

I seriously don't get the Delphino Plaza hate. It's a great stage. I don't see what exactly the problem of the platforms dropping you off at different points of the plaza is. I't seem a bit boring to only focus on one part of the plaza.

And Pirate Ship is one the best stages, in my opinion.

Still just awesome like that I kinda want another horizontally scrolling stage like Mushroomy Kingdom. It seems like the Sonic Lost World stage is gonna be like that, but I wouldn't object to more.

Does anyone think there's a chance of a minor gravity gimmick on the Lost World stage? I'd make sense.

I'd mention how you all are continuing to act just as condescending as the makers of PM are claimed to be

Because the PM team were condescending first, so they deserve it.

though it did give us a priceless codec call

I love how the Colonel's all deadpan serious about everything he says, no matter how weird it gets. Except for Luigi's codec.

Porky Minch should replace Lucas.

Nope.avi

I'm not a huge fan of the inexplicably bite attack, myself. I kinda think that should be his shoulder charge, or perhaps the EarthShake Punch from Shake It!

But the Chomp is the best! Whenever I play as Wario, I make it my mission to eat anything and everything in sight. It's also the move I troll my friend with.

edited 20th Nov '13 6:29:16 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#27622: Nov 20th 2013 at 6:37:33 AM

Because the PM team were condescending first, so they deserve it.

I believe the phrase "Two wrongs don't make a right" is appropriate.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27623: Nov 20th 2013 at 6:50:47 AM

[up]Stop defending Project M's devs. It's fine if you like the mod, but that doesn't change that the devs have a hint of smugness around some of the things they've said.

Lucario is one of the ugliest 4th gen Pokemon, after Bibarel and Floatzel.

Lucario being compared to Bibarel!? Unacceptable!!

@Mega Evolutions in Final Smashes.

I'd rather not have the MegaMewtwos or MegaLucario as Final Smashes. Lucario's moveset feels complete as is, and his FS is fine. As cool as MegaLucario is, I feel adding him would be tacked on, especially that one suggestion to make his Final Smash be the same as before but him being Mega while performing it. There's no need to, and it'd be superficial. And Mewtwo should just have Psystrike.

What I think they should do is make MegaLucario Lucario's alternate costume if they're gonna do alternate costumes this time around. They have similar proportions, so it's work fine. Plus it means when get a true alt for him instead of those suggestions to make the Pokemon characters alt's their Shiny colours.

edited 20th Nov '13 7:29:17 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27624: Nov 20th 2013 at 7:21:23 AM

I wasn't actually talking about the official Stage List for competition. I was talking about ones I think are good for tourneys. I never actually played in a single SSB 64 tourney. I've barely been in Melee ones. I acknowledge the competitive scene, of course.

And no, that's not an excuse. They deserve respect as do we. They don't deserve to be treated like crap just like we don't either. If anything, that's all the more reason not to act like that. Taking the higher ground is really the only answer to it.

Shadow?
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27625: Nov 20th 2013 at 7:25:04 AM

[up]That just rewards them for their behaviour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

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