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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#27501: Nov 18th 2013 at 7:44:23 PM

Crimson Echoes and Chrono Resurrection have made people paranoid, it seems.

Yeah, but those were stopped by Square-Enix, not Nintendo, and they happened supposedly because the creator of Chrono Trigger is ridiculously possessive of the series.

edited 18th Nov '13 7:45:44 PM by Customer

OdieFromTheOz KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
KING OF EXPLODO KILLS
#27502: Nov 18th 2013 at 7:47:48 PM

[up][up]I don't know. If anything, it's a testament to the fandom. "We think these changes were for the worse, so we're basically going to make our own game for free."

nyo ho ho
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#27503: Nov 18th 2013 at 7:58:54 PM

[up]That's how I've always seen it, personally, even though I prefer Brawl over Melee.

It's just that "Stop Having Fun" Guys is seen as so prevalent within the Smash fandom that people automatically assume that any sort of "clinging to the past" that's done on the fanbase's part is seen as a giant middle finger to everyone else that "enjoys the games for what they are".

Also, I was never interested in Project M because I never thought I'd be able to play it, but now I'm intrigued.

edited 18th Nov '13 8:05:51 PM by Customer

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27504: Nov 18th 2013 at 8:02:55 PM

The concept of Project M doesn't bother me, but the elitist "We made a superior game to Brawl because we're totally not modest about our own work and also rank it on subjective matters" and "lol who plays brawl, play Project M or you're a newb" attitudes aggravate me.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27505: Nov 18th 2013 at 8:05:52 PM

[up] Agreed.

I think it's cool it exists. I'm even more that happy that they are reviving characters who were supposed to be in Brawl. Since they're all pretty neat.

Shadow?
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27506: Nov 18th 2013 at 8:29:32 PM

and it's sorta hard not to like the idea of flying on a giant Mario head compared to a fairly generic space-station thingy

Not much to do, yes. Generic, no. It doesn't look like any Space Station I've ever seen.

I think we can all agree that both of Galaxy's hub worlds pale in comparison to Peach's Castle and Delfino Plaza, though. tongue

Agreed. Definitely.

If the Faceship really wanted to win me over, the power up museum should've allowed me to use the power ups.

That really bugged me. It's sorta just there, you know? They could have done something fun with it.

[up][up]Yes, this. I forgot where it was but on game site where there a comments, on an article about Smash 4, someone was saying they weren't too sure about Brawl (or Smash 4, I forget), and wanted to try Melee.

Then one of the guys who worked on Project M commented, and said something like "I'd hate to self promote, but you should try out Project M" He also had the nerve to say they were doing some things they said were more interesting than Smash 4 was doing. How humble.

Screw Project M anyway. At least Balanced Brawl doesn't go all like "lol Brawl sux, Melee rules. Make Brawl Melee" and actually respects it. And stating your own fan project to be more interesting than what the actual real next game is doing really sounds like a case of shilling something just because you made it.

One of the main things that always irked me about the Faceship was that here you have this group of Lumas that claim to be completely stranded in space with little to no energy to work with, then not even a minute later they decide to go out of their way to completely renovate the pebble they were floating on in gratuitous honor of some guy they've literally just met.

Can't Lumas fly though space by themselves anyway?

Anyway, anyone else feel that the Mario hubs in general always end up being fairly underwhelming in Smash? Both variants of Peach's Castle were pretty much just tossed together (though then again, I suppose it's arguable whether or not they count as a 64 stage to begin with), the Plaza was basically just a halfhearted tour of some borrowed assets, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if the only real appeal of this stage was the fact that you can make people fall off the screen upside-down.

Melee Peach's Castle and Delphino Plaza were awesome. Half-hearted? Slapped together? What?

But I don't want a second copy of Twilight Princess.

Is there a mod for it or something?

And what is Nintendo ELU, Irene?

edited 18th Nov '13 8:50:26 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27507: Nov 18th 2013 at 8:53:49 PM

The official Wii EULA(spelt it wrong earlier, my bad) is that you cannot put anything onto your system not approved by Nintendo itself. Nothing "third party" without their approval. This is why things like Action Replay actually aren't allowed on it, and they did it legally with this clause.

Nintendo always had a hatred for cheat devices, but the best reason to do this again was to prevent online cheating. Which is really seriously justified.(never mind that they can block people online for cheating, which I think is the better option, but eh)

Shadow?
Etheru Since: Jul, 2009
#27508: Nov 18th 2013 at 8:54:48 PM

@27490: They stated, sadly, that they wouldn't be backporting characters from the new game or any characters that Smash hasn't used yet, due to the legal troubles and not wanting to give off the impression that they're trying to bat at Nintendo.

TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#27509: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:00:32 PM

And stating your own fan project to be more interesting than what the actual real next game is doing really sounds like a case of shilling something just because you made it.

Especially when the actual real next game is still in production and we still don't know everything about it yet.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27510: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:26:35 PM

"The Warioware franchise is all about minigames...or microgames as this stage would have you believe. However, we believe that Smash is a fun enough game on its own"

What they mean is that the stage has deaths that aren't cause by the player...

I'm mean, they butchered Rumble Falls and Green Hill Zone. All you had to do with Rumble Falls was get rid of the cheap spike of death, and maybe make the layout at some bits less huddled, but no.

Not to mention, their version of Pokemon Stadium 2 doesn't even have transformations, when that's kind the whole idea of that stage. And naturally they let the Melee Pokemon Stadium keep them...

edited 18th Nov '13 9:29:00 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#27511: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:38:15 PM

What they mean is that the stage has deaths that aren't cause by the player...

Does the demographic that the project is aiming for want to have deaths that aren't caused by the players themselves?

Furthermore, it's already mentioned right in its description that said version of Stadium 2 ended up being a fan-favorite, as opposed to the Melee stage which retained the gimmick.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27512: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:39:08 PM

I really like the idea behind Norfair, though.

Again, not everything's my cup of tea, but there's some neat ideas sprinkled throughout.

I sure said that!
Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#27513: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:40:29 PM

I'm surprised how much of the fun they took out of those stages.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27514: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:41:43 PM

I'd really love to try doing some of this stuff myself, but I've got no head for coding- I'd love to try making a Norfair with both the rising lava levels and the shifting platforms.

edited 18th Nov '13 9:42:19 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27515: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:50:35 PM

Does the demographic that the project is aiming for want to have deaths that aren't caused by the players themselves?

No, but my point was with the "However, we believe that Smash is a fun enough game on its own" bit. There's a subtle hint of them implying something there. It's like what Anom said about how they "rank [Project M] on subjective matters".

Furthermore, it's already mentioned right in its description that said version of Stadium 2 ended up being a fan-favorite, as opposed to the Melee stage which retained the gimmick.

Doesn't change the fact that they drain the Brawl version of it's gimmick. Also, the fact that the fans seem to have a problem with a gimmick as simple as a layout change also speaks volumes.

I really like the idea behind Norfair, though.

It's nice but they should have at least kept the rising lava.

edited 18th Nov '13 9:58:11 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27516: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:54:55 PM

I don't like a lot of hazards either, so it's not that big of a deal. Play the original if you prefer it, which is fully understandable. Both make sense to me.

Shadow?
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27517: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:56:20 PM

I do think it's kinda cool that they implemented an old-style swinging plaform in Green Hill Zone. Kinda miss the curved shape, though.

I have a message from another time...
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27518: Nov 18th 2013 at 9:57:24 PM

[up]That's what I don't get. They even have a problem with curved ground.

And Enlong, what did you mean by this?

edited 18th Nov '13 9:58:47 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27519: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:02:18 PM

The original way to hack the Wii required the Wii Version of Twilight Princess. I'm guessing he only has the Gamecube one by that statement.

Shadow?
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27520: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:04:42 PM

Yeah- There was a gaping security hole in Twilight Princess. Of course, nowadays you can just slap it on to any 2 gig SD card and away you go.

I sure said that!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27521: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:12:53 PM

Just so.

I have a message from another time...
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#27522: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:24:21 PM

I took me a minute to realize they ousted the Trainer for having his Pokemon be separated, which makes me wonder if there were really that many folks that couldn't work with the Trainer's gimmick.

Glad to see they brought Mewtwo in at least. So far it doesn't look like they're missing anyone that isn't new to the 4th game. All in all though, I think I'd just stick with the official games; stage gimmicks are one of my favorite parts of the franchise.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27523: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:26:37 PM

Oh, I'm sticking with the games proper myself, too, I just find the details interesting- Though there's an unpleasant but minor amount of smugness permeating their website.

edited 18th Nov '13 10:27:13 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#27524: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:26:39 PM

I like stages that have issues, and items, for that matter.

(Except for Summit. That fish can go die in a fire.)

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27525: Nov 18th 2013 at 10:27:13 PM

I love that fish. I love hitting people into the water, specifically, and watching them become fish food.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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