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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27176: Nov 13th 2013 at 4:32:57 AM

I do wonder if trees are one long move(like how Warlock Punch is) or a series of move combos. But that could be really neat for strategies if it works that way.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#27177: Nov 13th 2013 at 5:02:56 AM

[up]I think it's a series of combos. It looks like it take far longer than Warlock Punch if it was a single move.

Also, I had forgotten all about the Villager's net. I mean, I remember it in the trailer, but I forgotten that we hadn't been shown it before. Well, I knew we hadn't been shown it before, but you know what I mean.

edited 13th Nov '13 5:15:38 AM by MagcargoMan

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27178: Nov 13th 2013 at 5:11:59 AM

Have we ever seen it in actual action, and not screenshots? It's hard to say. I could see it being one move, or multiple.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#27179: Nov 13th 2013 at 5:16:05 AM

[up]Well, we've seen him do the tree cutting part at least...

At that point, I'd almost rather drop the 3DS version than the Ice Climbers, and let the Wii U version spread its elbows as much as it likes.
I do agree that I'd rather they just drop the 3DS version and let the Wii U version spread its elbows rather than limit it.

You know, as awesome as the concept of portable Smash Bros is, I think we should have waited one more handheld generation. The 3DS isn't up to the Wii U's speed, so to speak.

I too would rather drop the 3DS version in favour of keeping the Ice Climbers. It's not worth only having on of them by them self. In fact, all the stuff the 3DS version is doing in regards to the console version is making me angry. First it was the exclusive stages (but that's a rant for another day), and then Sakurai went all out and said loud and clearly that the roster is limited by what the 3DS can handle.

It makes me worried for Smash Bros 4. I've loved each Smash Bros game more than the last, but I cringe at the fact that the first HD Smash Bros is being held back by the 3DS version. I don't want the Wii U version to be gimped. I don't want to miss out on that awesome Super Mario 3 D Land on the big screen. I want the complete package I got with last Smash Bros. And the one before that. It's bad enough we miss out on a new Subspace-esque story mode; we don't need to lose anything else major.

I want Smash 4 to be the best Smash Bros yet. And it should be; it looks great, it has some really original ideas for newcomers and stages, and there's even more to come. It's just a shame that the 3DS version is holding it back. To be honest, if things like rosters are being held back by the 3DS, I can wait one more generation for portable Smash.

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#27180: Nov 13th 2013 at 6:41:04 AM

You know, I think the fact that the roster will either be as big as Brawl or smaller has been known for a long time. So it is natural that some one is going to get the axe. So even if the next Smash was only for Wii U, would that mean Ice Climbers will stay? Not absolutely.

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#27181: Nov 13th 2013 at 6:44:56 AM

I'm not sure how the net is ambiguous when it's compared to Link's and Samus's grapples.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27182: Nov 13th 2013 at 6:51:22 AM

Considering we have other ranged Grabs that aren't literal throws, yeah, it's pretty ambiguous. Not like he could compare it to Yoshi's Neutral B... when Yoshi hasn't shown up.

Sorry, but it's not blatant in any possible way. It can apply to any ranged grab, which has been Special Move or Throw since the first game. It's just a grab that has range. That's the only thing I can see that is very specific at all.

Considering the animations, I can see it as Side B or Throw Button. Either makes perfect sense, especially if it could be done in the air like in the movie.

And yeah, we could've lost characters going into the Wii U version just like we lost 2(as in they are entirely gone) while going into Brawl. So the 3DS version isn't really that relevant in that regard. Really doesn't bother me that much at this point. I'd rather just have the option for two games, especially when I may not even be able to get a Wii U at this point(nor is there a single game besides Smash I want for it yet). I can't afford much, and I already got a 3DS. It's going to have the same final roster(and possibly no connection required to finish the roster), so I could care less about the Wii U version as well by that point. Handheld is great for me. I love it as is.

But having both as an option is the best since it allows everybody to heavily enjoy it without being forced to invest in one system or the other. They can choose whichever they prefer based upon the games they want, and that's really awesome.

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#27183: Nov 13th 2013 at 6:52:55 AM

Smash on the go will be fantastic! cool

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27184: Nov 13th 2013 at 6:53:05 AM

I think the biggest indicator of the net being Villager's guard+attack throw is that we know most of his moveset already and that's the one slot that it actually seems to fit in.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27185: Nov 13th 2013 at 6:57:05 AM

We barely know where most of those go, so not really, Pulse. We've had projectiles for non-B moves with Mega Man as well. Movesets are far less obvious now. So who knows. It could even be a freakin' A move...(and I don't mean Shield + A)

@Folt: Damn straight.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#27186: Nov 13th 2013 at 7:03:58 AM

But Brawl had a huge expansion of the roster, even though it lost a couple characters.

For Smash 4 they said definitely won't be able to do that.

Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#27187: Nov 13th 2013 at 7:06:34 AM

This Bug-Catching Net grab is really neat, but it probably would look really weird when grabbing a huge character like Ridley Bowser.

Also, does the Miiverse confirms that Clawshot and Grapple Beam are back? I hope at least Clawshot is replaced.

EDIT: Clawshot was confirmed on Sonic's video and the Grapple Beam in Sakurai's Direct.

edited 13th Nov '13 7:16:46 AM by Comun

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27188: Nov 13th 2013 at 7:13:32 AM

It says it's similar to Link's and Samus' Clawshot and Grappling Beam.

Apparently they are back. Although Link still sports his base TP design and Samus never had another throw at all. Link's only switch was the type of item, but they were identical in practice.

He's implying they're back, at best.

Brawl still dropped stuff from Melee regardless(Courses, Items, Characters, NPC's). And Melee dropped stuff from 64(Courses, Items, NPC's). Expecting this not to happen is silly. We'll have something gone from the earlier game no matter what. We're just hoping it isn't characters.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27189: Nov 13th 2013 at 7:13:44 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
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#27190: Nov 13th 2013 at 7:41:53 AM

It's possible. Judging by the screenshots we've been getting, it looks like they might've made enough progress with models, animations, stages and items to be able produce some snippets for us.

edited 13th Nov '13 7:42:23 AM by Lemurian

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27191: Nov 13th 2013 at 7:42:07 AM

I think we might have one.

I'm hoping for Zelda/Sheik myself.(or Shiek, since apparently one country does spell it that way. I didn't know Germany spelled it like that. Kind of makes it funny when your "typo" isn't one in reality.)

Since this is 3DS related, I could see Kirby too. Yarn Yoshi was a Wii U game, so not him... hmm...

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#27192: Nov 13th 2013 at 9:19:02 AM

Idea: The net is a grapple on the ground. When he's airborne, he uses the fishing rod instead, and that's a tether.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27193: Nov 13th 2013 at 9:45:57 AM

It's too bad his supposed Up B is already revealed. What's odd is that he has his Gyroid Rocket, which sounds like an Up B, his Balloon Fight Shout-Out, which is more blatantly one as well. One guess I have is, if the Net isn't actually a Grab and Throw, is this;

  • B: Bug-Catching Net
  • Down B: Projectile Grab
  • Up B: Balloon Fight
  • Side B: Gyroid

I have no idea what could make another good Neutral B move, as his Slingshot appeared to be a Air Back A move. Maybe the Shovel? Shovel could be Down B while Projectile Grab is Neutral B as well. Obviously, these are nicknames to a degree.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27194: Nov 13th 2013 at 10:01:48 AM

Neutral B could perhaps be seed/water/axe.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27195: Nov 13th 2013 at 10:04:02 AM

That'd be perfect. Some "take too long" moves have been often through on Neutral B. Come up with your own nickname if you want for them. tongue

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#27196: Nov 13th 2013 at 12:03:41 PM

I came up with an idea for a Sonic alternate costume earlier: Virtual Hedgehog.

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#27197: Nov 13th 2013 at 4:00:26 PM

Geez, never thought I'd see a post of Enlong's get modded...

RE:Dropping the 3DS version: Eh, I'd rather that not happen. I've been waiting for a handheld Smash for a long time, but thought it'd never happen. If I had to pick between losing a character (who's one of my mains) for the handheld version or losing the handheld version to retain a character, I'd rather lose the character. It's not like losing characters is unusual for the series so far.

edited 13th Nov '13 4:02:53 PM by Customer

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#27198: Nov 13th 2013 at 4:32:23 PM

Will handheld Smash pick up the tournament scene, or will everyone stick to the Wii U version?

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#27199: Nov 13th 2013 at 4:44:27 PM

[up]They're probably going to stick to the consoles. Handheld Street Fighter 4 really didn't make an impact.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27200: Nov 13th 2013 at 4:46:36 PM

Assuming the physics are the same, there might be some popularity for counterpicking stages and such, since we know there's not full overlap between the two versions.

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