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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#27151: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:34:15 PM

Well, here's an interview with Sakurai.

While the development of Kid Icarus: Uprising was at its end, Satoru Iwata came me propose to develop the new Smash Bros game, and asked me if it should be on 3DS or Wii U. We were arrived at a point where the series could not evolve too, and we wondered if the passage on handheld console was the solution. In the past, we have increased the number of characters and arenas, but this was not enough.

At that time, we could have chosen to develop a 3DS version only, but we realized the presence of several limitations. I am referring to the fact of playing a game like Super Smash Bros.. on a small screen. Thus, even if it is not easy to develop two versions simultaneously, we chose to adapt the game experience to the specifications of each platform.

I think the bolded parts make it pretty clear that he wasn't forced to make a Wii U version. And that, in fact, he wanted both a console and a handheld version, not one or the other.

[up]...Okay? Why are you arguing over stuff I never even disagreed with?

edited 12th Nov '13 5:38:29 PM by beorc

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27152: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:45:04 PM

Whoops, I did remember it wrong. My bad.

But overall point stands. Both are hugely important. And this is obviously to Enlong.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27153: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:46:57 PM

ok

I have a message from another time...
beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#27154: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:50:36 PM

[up][up]Except why address it to Enlong when he hadn't even responded since your last post that said the same thi-aw screw it.

edited 12th Nov '13 5:50:49 PM by beorc

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27155: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:52:06 PM

I do agree that I'd rather they just drop the 3DS version and let the Wii U version spread its elbows rather than limit it. I know that won't happen, it's just what I'd prefer. I was never keen on a 3DS Smash Bros. to begin with, it deserves a big ol' TV screen.

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GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Wants Captain N for SSBU
#27156: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:52:57 PM

I think Wii Music should be a stage. The speed of the background track is entirely determined by the amount of eratic movement on the battlefield.

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Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Main Character
#27157: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:54:06 PM

[up]That's actually a pretty cool idea.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27158: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:58:50 PM

It was still part of the same point, Beorc.

I'm just glad Sakurai is trying to make the characters key to both versions equally. Since that's how a game designer should do it since it's actually the same overall game, just on different systems. Smash deserves to be playable on handhelds too anyway. That's good for people who travel or who can't afford a giant TV, or don't want one. Handhelds are a good thing, after all.

I've had tons of trouble enjoying console fighting games because they're unwieldly for multiplayer too often for me. Handhelds? Surprisingly more effective in my case. Since this does apply to other people in general, having it on both systems is great for the majority of everyone. I just can't see a real problem here. I still doubt we'll lose Ice Climbers since Olimar was revealed, so unless it's outright said Ice Climbers are dropped, the complaints are ultimately in vain.

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TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#27159: Nov 12th 2013 at 8:37:25 PM

Wait, Sakurai said they were cutting characters and stuff because the 3DS cartridge has limited memory.

So that does mean that for every character included, there will be another character who has to be left out.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#27160: Nov 12th 2013 at 8:43:48 PM

There aren't going to be 70 characters because making characters also takes time and effort. It's a question if they'll be able to fit in every character they have planned, and if they can't some of the least important ones will have to go.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#27161: Nov 12th 2013 at 8:56:28 PM

The problem of 70 characters is *balance*, beyond anything else. Even if Brawl had allowed for patches, balancing 35 characters would be a job and a half.

Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#27162: Nov 12th 2013 at 10:19:11 PM

Not to start up this debate again, but animations notwithstanding, this version of Ridley doesn't seem too bad. It's a good enough model, but the animations are awful - aside from the neck, the standing pose is almost a T-stance.

edited 12th Nov '13 10:20:54 PM by Null

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27163: Nov 12th 2013 at 11:58:32 PM

New pic.

So Villager's net is a grapple.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27164: Nov 13th 2013 at 12:08:31 AM

I wish he used the term "Throw" instead. If only because Grapples have been B moves too. Meaning this may not be his regular Throw. :/

Shadow?
GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#27165: Nov 13th 2013 at 1:25:38 AM

Maybe he can grapple on the edge too?

edited 13th Nov '13 1:25:47 AM by GaryCXJk

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27166: Nov 13th 2013 at 1:28:29 AM

Yeah, how would that work with a Net? I mean, I could see that with a Fishing Rod...

If it's a regular Throw, it wouldn't usually have an Edge to grab onto due to its design. It's like banging a sword's flat edge against something to pretend you can somehow hold onto the edge with it. Not like thrusting it in. It makes the least sense overall.

I think he might mean that it's just an item/weapon being used to grab someone, or the fact it's a grab from a distance, just like Link(all of them) and Samus'.

Shadow?
GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#27167: Nov 13th 2013 at 1:56:21 AM

One word. Velcro. Super velcro. The kind of velcro that sticks to everything. Because that's totally a thing.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27168: Nov 13th 2013 at 2:05:39 AM

I was thinking honey. tongue

It doesn't make much sense as a tether recovery, since it's not essentially a tentacle like the Hookshot/Clawshot/Grappling Beam either.

I kind of hope it's a Side B move, like Bowser's is. Fishing Rod is a better choice for a throw since it also gives us the ability to tether recovery properly.(or at least a way that slightly makes sense)

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#27169: Nov 13th 2013 at 2:27:24 AM

Okay, no, wait, I got it.

I assume you can also perform it in the air, which is why it's a grappling kind. This still doesn't exclude it from being a grab, so I actually don't know.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27170: Nov 13th 2013 at 2:36:18 AM

He could grab people while in the air, making it unique from most Throws that are attempt in the air.(that is, based upon the Throw Button, not a Special Move that can Throw) Mind you, that was a movie, not actual gameplay. So it might not be an air move.

Also, it does remind me a bit of Samus/Link's. Ranged Grab. There hasn't been any other Ranged Grabs shown off, so what else can he compare it to? XD

edited 13th Nov '13 2:42:42 AM by Irene

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27172: Nov 13th 2013 at 3:12:40 AM

The problem is, "Grapple" isn't a term often thrown around in the Smash community. We use Grab(which means for both Specials and Shoulder Button-based inputs) and Throw on the wiki. That's it.

So it's not really that easy to tell what he specifically means. Could be a regular Throw. Could be a Special Move. He's too vague sometimes. :/

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#27173: Nov 13th 2013 at 3:18:28 AM

Judging from the comparison I think it's a throw. Link looks like he's in his "I've been grabbed" animation, after all.

I doubt it's a tether, though, and that's the confusing part.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27174: Nov 13th 2013 at 3:21:58 AM

He hasn't shown any of the Special Move throws yet. Which is why I'm hesitant to think his comparison means anything about it being an actual regular Throw.

The key similarity among Bug-Catching Net, Clawshot, and Grappling Beam is they all have range. That's it.

So does Yoshi's Neutral B. He's not shown back yet. What else could he compare it to in that case? I think the comparison is honestly purely a coincidence and nothing more. It could very well be a Throw or a Special Move. I'm leaning towards a Throw myself. It's possible it could be the first Throw Input that you can do in the air that actually can Grab an opponent. No other one can.

You can do Air Grabs with Special Moves only so far.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#27175: Nov 13th 2013 at 4:19:08 AM

Oh yeah, Yoshi's Egg Lay.

Hrm... I like the idea of an air grab (and if the Net is a special, it makes sense) but if Villager can chaingrab off of his own trees that way it would be the most overpowered thing since Meta Knight.

This is shaping up to be one if those things where our best option is to wait and see.

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