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maxwellelvis Mad Scientist Wannabe from undisclosed location Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
#27126: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:40:03 AM

Anybody ever go back to Melee and look at Pit's trophy in that, and compare that to his redesign?

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27127: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:41:13 AM

Classic Pit looked lame. I'm really glad they gave him that redesign in Brawl.

edited 12th Nov '13 5:42:07 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
maxwellelvis Mad Scientist Wannabe from undisclosed location Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
#27128: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:46:40 AM

[up]At least he didn't look like Billy Quizboy.

edited 12th Nov '13 5:46:50 AM by maxwellelvis

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27129: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:47:12 AM

If you get back into Uprising, I've had best luck with the default control scheme, folding the left side as normal and bracing the right corner by sandwiching it between my pinky and ring fingers. You do have to unlearn how to hold a game system to get into it, but once you get it down, it's fantastically easy to handle.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#27130: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:48:44 AM

[up]Thanks. I'll try and remember that advice. [tup]

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#27131: Nov 12th 2013 at 7:35:18 AM

Nintendo Direct tomorrow.

You never know. There might be some Smash news.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27132: Nov 12th 2013 at 8:18:20 AM

See? So little notice on these things. It's great.

beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#27133: Nov 12th 2013 at 8:19:45 AM

Although this Direct is apparently only for North America, so I wouldn't expect any new Smash announcements.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27134: Nov 12th 2013 at 8:21:56 AM

Huh. How strange...

I was thinking there might be something addressing the Swapnote situation, but if it's region-specific... I don't know what it could be.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27135: Nov 12th 2013 at 8:40:00 AM

There was a small infodump on Shin Megami Tensei IV in a European-exclusive Direct, as a note.

edited 12th Nov '13 8:40:18 AM by Pulse

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beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#27136: Nov 12th 2013 at 9:50:33 AM

Ah, so it looks like it's going to be in Europe as well after all. Still, if there's no Japanese one, I'm guessing it'll just be about some of the games they're helping to localize, like Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney and Bravely Default.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#27137: Nov 12th 2013 at 9:51:30 AM

I hope it's a new game or something.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#27138: Nov 12th 2013 at 11:18:02 AM

Wait, Sakurai said they were cutting characters and stuff because the 3DS cartridge has limited memory.

Does that mean that the cut characters and other new ones could come back as DLC? That doesn't have the same memory limits, since it's downloaded separately.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27139: Nov 12th 2013 at 11:34:44 AM

A: he said that may become an issue. But they're trying to get around that as much as possible.

B: I believe that's exactly the sort of DLC he wouldn't do.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#27140: Nov 12th 2013 at 11:52:14 AM

If I remember right, Mr. Sakurai said his philosophy is he wants his game to be a complete package the moment it heads out the door, although he did say DLC can be done right (citing Fallout 3 as an example).

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#27141: Nov 12th 2013 at 11:54:10 AM

I'm guessing it's possible we'll see "DLC" in the form of patches that may or may not include cut characters along with the usual bug fixes and buffs/nerfs.

edited 12th Nov '13 11:54:31 AM by Pulse

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27142: Nov 12th 2013 at 4:36:27 PM

It's possible we could see costumes for cut characters if absolutely necessary.

And yeah, his attempt is to put everyone in due to space. And so far, the only character he spoke of that he had trouble with or might not return is Ice Climbers and that's it. He also has yet to say if they're cut or back, so who knows.

Shadow?
beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#27143: Nov 12th 2013 at 4:41:35 PM

I wonder, if they absolutely couldn't manage to get the Ice Climbers working properly in the 3DS version, if Sakurai'd consider just making a single Ice Climber playable.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27144: Nov 12th 2013 at 4:43:00 PM

I have doubts, since the whole point of them is having two when actual fighting. It's also a pretty notable thing to the gameplay, as losing one makes a huge difference.

Namely it's not worth it with one overall to many. The current way it is is what makes them interesting as a character. Nobody else is like that.

Shadow?
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#27145: Nov 12th 2013 at 4:51:18 PM

Yeah, it's like having a race car missing a tire- it can still work, maybe win a race. But imagine how much better it'd be if it hadn't lost that tire!

I want the Ice Climbers to return, but their playstyle doesn't suit me so I myself wouldn't be hurt if they left. I understand other people would be let down, though.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27146: Nov 12th 2013 at 4:53:39 PM

At that point, I'd almost rather drop the 3DS version than the Ice Climbers, and let the Wii U version spread its elbows as much as it likes.

But that's not going to happen at this point. Far too late to back out on the 3DS version.

edited 12th Nov '13 4:54:08 PM by Enlong

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27147: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:17:38 PM

It would never happen no matter what.

Sakurai never wanted a Wii U version and was forced to do so. The fact we have both is due solely to Executive Meddling.

Sakurai is catering to the version he wanted, possibly because... he's the developer and cares about both products and thinks both are extremely important. He also doesn't want anyone to miss out on character choices either, so is making sure that both games have the same final roster.(and he may be thinking of requiring no connecting, as his message about the number of characters is vague, but could imply)

Shadow?
beorc Ridley and Ridley from hither and yon Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: I know
Ridley and Ridley
#27148: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:28:54 PM

Sakurai never wanted a Wii U version and was forced to do so. The fact we have both is due solely to Executive Meddling.

No. While he planned the 3DS version first, it was Sakurai who chose to make a Wii U version.

edited 12th Nov '13 5:29:05 PM by beorc

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Trollblade69 Trollblade69 from Bad memories Since: Oct, 2013
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#27149: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:30:03 PM

Can someone find irrefutable proof whether Sakurai wanted console or Portable for Smash Bros 4?

Yes, I am the guy who refused to call Magikarp Power "not worth the effort"
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27150: Nov 12th 2013 at 5:33:46 PM

[up][up] I remember the interview being somebody else told him to do so. Iwata.

Either way, he wants both to have the same list of characters and both matter.

So neither is droppable and really never were. They're both important to him. Making sure they have the same characters is a good thing anyway. The series is mainly about who you can play as, then we have the gameplay, but that's due to it being mainly character-driven. It's even the premise for its development.(well, kind of) It was meant to be a generic cast at first. We have Nintendo characters because he thinks they'll make it sell more. Literally. And he's right, it works. Dropping a character from one version is ludicrous as well. Since they're both technically Smash 4, having the same character list makes sense. Now, sequels are clearly not as important about returning characters. He entirely cut Pichu, proving that.(and Young Link, technically)

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