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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#27051: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:57:32 PM

@Irene: I've practiced with wavedashing a lot. After hours of doing so, I still jump around more often than not, accidentally triangle jump, can't keep from shielding during it, and can never use smash attacks. So, yes, it's hard to use.]

Like how everyone talks about juggling and combos, which I also have great difficulty with. I could never do the Ken Combo, even after reading up on it and watching videos of it in action.

@Nap: I prefer Brawl's because it's easier to use (I sometimes suicided by using the Melee air dodge wrong) and I could never punish the computer's air dodging in Melee anyway.

edited 10th Nov '13 4:59:50 PM by doctrainAUM

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27052: Nov 10th 2013 at 4:58:28 PM

[up]x4 Logistically, though, Melee's air dodge makes no sense. I'd just vote for adding some extra down time between air dodges and keeping the Brawl style.

And I still don't get the appeal of retaining Wave-Dashing- All it did was create a huge skill gap and give competitive Melee its infamous reputation for consisting of two Fox players trying to shine-chain each other to death on Final Destination.

edited 10th Nov '13 5:01:41 PM by Pulse

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#27053: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:01:01 PM

[up]Eh, I'd mostly prefer the Melee style if only because wavedashing was a fun exploit/glitch/whatever you want to call it. It added an extra layer of depth to the game when you could do stuff like a pseudo-pushblock or easy edgeguard or approaching and stuff.

That said, I do think it could stand to be a little easier to pull off if they do put it back. Project M has an option to include input buffers, maybe make it something like that.

edited 10th Nov '13 5:01:13 PM by Nap1100

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27054: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:01:21 PM

[up][up][up] That's why I said while there are some who can't do it, the majority can.

That's I use the phrase "not that hard to do" overall. And I do that sometimes too, but it has been easily done by people as well. An extremely difficult technique is almost entirely unusable by the majority. That's ultimately not the case for Wavedashing, so I can't legitimately call it a very difficult technique.

[up] Well, glitch(that'd assume it was definitely not intended in any way, shape, or form, by the developers. Not the case) is a bad nickname, but yeah, I agree it's fun. Just needs to be more balanced among the cast.

edited 10th Nov '13 5:02:29 PM by Irene

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27055: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:01:23 PM

I like Brawl air dodging because in Melee, I (not being the kind of person to discover Wavedashing on my own) almost never used air dodging in Melee, because I scarcely was ever in a situation where using the air dodge was worth the panic fall, over, say, using my characer's Up B or tether.

I don't suppose anyone ever scanned that NP page and put it somewhere on the internet? Because I'd love a link o that.

So anyway.

Anyone think it'd be cool if Kirby got Ultra Sword or Flare Beam or something, from Return to Dreamland, as his Final Smash in place of Cook? Dunno how keen Sakurai would be to swap out for something from a game he didn't make, but I think it'd be cool. That or Mike.

edited 10th Nov '13 5:04:30 PM by Enlong

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#27056: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:04:50 PM

@Nap: That reminds me. I really, really hate how they removed Brawl's buffer that prevented it from feeling stiff like Melee, and added an input buffer that's only available in Versus mode. I heard it's because of technical reasons (can't add that extra option, apparently). I wouldn't mind so much if people didn't praise the "newbie-friendly" buffer without saying "but only in Versus". They never think to warn people.

@Irene: Are we seriously debating the semantics of a word - difficult - that is always subjective? I do believe we are. Also, the whole "intentional" thing: the problem is that some people take the phrase "it was an intentional feature" to mean "the developers created it deliberately". Others use it to mean "they decided to not remove it when they could". That's why people argue over a single word: intentional.

edited 10th Nov '13 5:08:00 PM by doctrainAUM

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#27057: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:07:08 PM

I'd argue that it's because they expect people to mostly be using versus mode with that mod anyway, since the point of it is to be competitive. That said, though, it does suck that they can't make it work in training mode.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27058: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:10:13 PM

Also, I think Pit is having his Final Smash changed, to the Three Sacred Treasures.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#27059: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:11:46 PM

Really? I would've guessed it'd be the Great Sacred Treasure.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27060: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:12:09 PM

That's why intentional was said with extremely specific context. You might notice how I didn't use it semantically, and explained that saying it was intentional is a useless statement. It isn't. Kind of.

Also, http://www.smashboards.com/threads/dispute-ended-new-sakurai-intervew-wavedashing-was-intentional.162416/ explains which one it was. I don't know where a scan is, though. This is the only source I could find quickly for you.

Despite the url, we know the context of "intentional" too. In Street Fighter, there was no way Combos were intentional. That wasn't planned or kept in the same game after being found out. Combos were found out by the players. The creators never knew.

In this game, when it was found out, it was only intentionally left in, but they did not create it intentionally, however. Which is a whole different story entirely. You could also just say "They like what they saw and kept it in for competitive use." and leave it at that.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#27061: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:13:08 PM

I'm fine with them changing Pit's side-special. What I am not fine with, however, it the website saying that Pit is no longer "yelping like an undisciplined toddler". Really?! Do these people have no respect for the mighty kiai?!

Besides, it feels unprofessional.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#27062: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:15:14 PM

And Pit is in no way above undisciplined yelling.

Perhaps we'll get a short Rallying Cry as he activates his Final Smash.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#27063: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:17:35 PM

I think it's just meaning "Pit sounds older, huh?"

Also, I think Pit is having his Final Smash changed, to the Three Sacred Treasures.
Considering that all three of them have been replaced somehow from his moveset...

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#27064: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:27:03 PM

And Pit having a new final smash would free up Palutena to be playable.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27065: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:32:23 PM

I'd sooner Medusa be playable over Palutena. She has snake hair.

Anyway, from what I remember, Wavedashing was noticed but left in as just a quirk of the physics, but they didn't suspect it would actually see competitive use or be considered useful at all.

My philosophy regarding glitches, exploits, and pseudo-exploits like Wavedashing is that there's nothing wrong with using it if i'ts available, but they should be removed or modified by the next patch/installment.

And for the record, without Wavedashing in the equation, I prefer Brawl's directionless air dodge as well, though agree it could use with more cooldown between dodges. It's almost safer to be in the air than on the ground in some cases.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27066: Nov 10th 2013 at 5:37:33 PM

I prefer Medusa too. More villains are nice.

I like the directionless part of it too. Not so much that it doesn't put you into a fall state.(minus for Yoshi, who needed the recovery) I felt it made Brawl too defensive that way.

My vote is like Melee's, but once and with direction.

edited 10th Nov '13 6:07:33 PM by Irene

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27067: Nov 10th 2013 at 6:08:24 PM

See, it's a fine line. If airdodging puts you into panic fall, then you can't use it while recovering unless you already could reach it without an Up B.

I'd prefer if it's kept like Brawl's, but the game around it is changed to be harder to recover in the first place.

I'd also prefer Medusa first. She's got a nice variety of possible moves, and has nice villain chemistry with Pit.

But if there's any Kid Icarus thing I want, it's codec calls.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#27068: Nov 10th 2013 at 6:50:15 PM

I'd like Medusa to be in over Palutena, too, but not just because she's a villain; she's also a female villain. Every other female character so far has been heroic, making a female villain a unique new addition to the series.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27069: Nov 10th 2013 at 9:09:30 PM

I wouldn't mind if Palutena, Medusa or Magus got in. Each of them has their own charm what the other might not have.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27070: Nov 10th 2013 at 9:15:08 PM

Magnus, you mean?

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#27071: Nov 10th 2013 at 9:16:48 PM

Hmm. I should've put that game on my Xmas list. Then, I would eventually know what everyone was talkin' 'bout.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#27072: Nov 10th 2013 at 9:34:20 PM

Chuggaaconroy has a Lets Play of the game if you don't mind it being spoiled for you, and he hopes for Magnus getting into Smash EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. HE. APPEARS.

edited 10th Nov '13 9:35:25 PM by tclittle

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27073: Nov 10th 2013 at 9:56:05 PM

Watching isn't the same as playing. I'd recommend getting it for Christmas, yeah. It's certainly one of the best games available on the 3DS.

edited 10th Nov '13 9:56:19 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Mistermister voosh from thecomputerkthxbye Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#27074: Nov 10th 2013 at 11:22:11 PM

I'm kinda expecting that Sakurai won't go overboard on Kid Icarus representation just because he directed Uprising, out of fears that he might be accused of pandering to his own games like he did with Kirby in Brawl.

Wasn't that the main reason why Dedede and Meta-Knight weren't in Melee as well?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27075: Nov 11th 2013 at 12:30:14 AM

New pic of the day.

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