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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#25951: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:46:09 AM

Maybe the tone could stand to be ratcheted down a tad here. Let's keep it friendly.

I think the biggest strike against Krystal from Star Fox isn't that she wasn't popular in Japan; I think her biggest problem is that, outside of the Furry Fandom, she wasn't all that popular anywhere. I know that, if we were to start adding more Star Fox characters, I'd actually go with Leon or Panther first (Landmasters for everyone!). Heck, I'd be more inclined to have Slippy before Krystal, and who wasn't annoyed by him?

Oh, the mention of Assist Trophies reminds me... have those been confirmed to return yet? I see no reason why they shouldn't, but I hate to assume.

Along those lines, admittedly, nobody has officially confirmed that the original Smash characters are a guaranteed return. They shouldn't be assumed to be, and accounts suggest that Ness, at least, was touch-and-go for a bit in previous games (a shame, as he's always one of my mains, but I've been spared thus far). I personally hope so, but I'll admit that's partly fueled by nostalgia (the other part being that Ness always fit my style, and I'd like to keep using him). I'd be less concerned about Jigglypuff, though, as her playstyle was popular and distinct even though she's not anywhere near a signature of her home series at this point.

Finally, regarding Mewtwo's status as an iconic Pokemon... well, for one thing, genwunners always stick with that memory of him being the most ass-kicking 'mon in the game. And the hardcore battlers who closely follow the Metagame always know his presence - Mewtwo literally defined the metagame in the early generations, and playing in Ubers means always having a plan for dealing with him (even if he's not the number one threat of the given generation). I'll admit, when mincing oaths by citing Pokemon instead of deities, before Arceus, I'd always cite Mewtwo instead. And in the popular imagination... of the movies that got released theatrically worldwide, the most popular and thus the one that stuck in minds the best was the original. And who was the Big Bad? Mewtwo. Regardless of whether he gets into Smash or not, as a fan of Pokemon, I have to say that Mewtwo is pretty damn iconic.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#25952: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:57:21 AM

Robin would be just as good as Micaiah, for example

Actually, Robin was my ideal choice for an Awakening rep. MyUnit, while already used in one FE game before, is an important feature in Awakening, and I feel that is more standout in the grand scheme of FE than "another blue haired sword lord".

I see no reason to condemn a character for bein recent, any more than you can condemn one for being old.

You really need to read behind the lines. Your taking this at face value rather than seeing the reasoning behind it.

And as I said before, the reason for Mewtwo is NOT for being old. It's for being iconic. Stop dismissing stuff you don't agree with as invalid.

edited 18th Oct '13 8:59:17 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#25953: Oct 18th 2013 at 8:58:15 AM

[up][up]Mewtwo is also kinda-sorta a villain, too- While it's never had a major role in the plot of any of the games, it's constantly referred to as savage and dangerous.

[up]But then we run into the problem of trying to represent a character with no set appearance, or even sex.

edited 18th Oct '13 8:59:04 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#25954: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:00:33 AM

While I do support Robin/Avatar/MU, Anna and Chrom, I wonder if Tiki would be a decent FE representative? She's been significant to a few of the games, and using both her human and dragon forms might lend itself to an interesting playstyle, as long as it wasn't a standard B transformation.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#25955: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:01:49 AM

[up][up]Well we use the Default (Male / Female). And make it have Male and Female options, and you choose them on the character select like Zelda/Shiek, except they are skins and not separate characters.

Finally, regarding Mewtwo's status as an iconic Pokemon... well, for one thing, genwunners always stick with that memory of him being the most ass-kicking 'mon in the game. And the hardcore battlers who closely follow the Metagame always know his presence - Mewtwo literally defined the metagame in the early generations, and playing in Ubers means always having a plan for dealing with him (even if he's not the number one threat of the given generation). I'll admit, when mincing oaths by citing Pokemon instead of deities, before Arceus, I'd always cite Mewtwo instead. And in the popular imagination... of the movies that got released theatrically worldwide, the most popular and thus the one that stuck in minds the best was the original. And who was the Big Bad? Mewtwo. Regardless of whether he gets into Smash or not, as a fan of Pokémon, I have to say that Mewtwo is pretty damn iconic.

Oh my goodness, THANK YOU!

edited 18th Oct '13 9:04:11 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#25956: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:05:11 AM

HERE WE GO AGAIN

Can we all just agree that this argument is going to go around in circles until we actually have Fire Emblem reps revealed? Because that's what's happening.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#25957: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:07:44 AM

Yeah, we're already skirting the line between "polite debate" and "heated argument".

So, what do y'all think about Ridley?

What do you guys think the nebulous customization is going to be like?

I sure said that!
Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#25958: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:16:45 AM

Aside from the whole 'directionality' thing, some limited visual customisation would be nice. Perhaps some Animal Crossing-esque accessories and an option to select the RGB value of a character's outfit?

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#25959: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:17:15 AM

I bought Budokai Tenkaichi 3 a few days ago (wasn't cheap), and that game has character customization. However, I don't think it will be anything like that game, so forget I mentioned it.

Normally, I'd say it's like stickers from Brawl, except allowed on other 1P modes and disallowed in Versus matches or at least online. But this thing about the direction of moves or something, I guess it means... somehow altering a move's hitboxes or whatnot?

I have absolutely no idea.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Wants Captain N for SSBU
#25960: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:22:22 AM

I still stand by my opinion that Kevin Keene stands a chance.

Signatures are for lamers.
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#25961: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:23:59 AM

Mewtwo is still metagame wise strongest, but apparently its mega evolution stuff are also best in stats once again <_< So yeah

ABNDT Since: Mar, 2011
#25962: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:26:26 AM

As I understand it, Kyogre is (at least through Gen V; not sure what the weather nerf will do to it) the strongest, followed by Arceus.

KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#25963: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:29:00 AM

While I do support Robin/Avatar/MU, Anna and Chrom, I wonder if Tiki would be a decent FE representative? She's been significant to a few of the games, and using both her human and dragon forms might lend itself to an interesting playstyle, as long as it wasn't a standard B transformation.

Actually, she could definitely bring something interest to the table.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#25964: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:40:38 AM

EDIT: Whoops. Wrong thread.

edited 18th Oct '13 9:40:58 AM by DrFurball

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#25965: Oct 18th 2013 at 9:40:57 AM

[up][up][up]Kyogre is statistically weaker than Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-oh, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, Reshiram, Zekrom, either Absrofused Kyurem, and any of the new Legendaries in XY. Water, however, is a very good defensive typing in Pokemon, and Drizzle is kinda broken as an ability.

edited 18th Oct '13 9:41:10 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#25966: Oct 18th 2013 at 10:14:15 AM

"Strongest" is a relative term in Pokemon at this point considering a constantly evolving metagame, the constant prevalence of Elemental Rock–Paper–Scissors, and the effects of proper training. It's perhaps better to say that, in a completely unhindered environment, Kyogre is the most popular choice for teams as of Gen V (as Gen VI is too young for the metagame to achieve any stability whatsoever, although there's good cause to believe that it will stop being the #1 choice in the Ubers environment) due to the potent effect that Drizzle has on both itself and many team builds.

Kyogre is strong... that said, considering that 99% of the common Kyogre builds can't handle Shedinja (a Lethal Joke Character par excellence) and probably 75-90% (not totally sure) could not handle Gastrodon (which is halfway decent but optimized for destroying Water types), can it truly be said to be "the strongest"? But that's veering way off the topic of Super Smash Bros. and into the realm of philosophy and the meaning of the word "strength."

Anyhow, so that I'm not totally avoiding the topic... I wonder if Tabuu will be brought back in any way, shape, or form. I have to admit, even if he was no fun to play, I'd love to see the reaction if they announced a nerfed version of Tabuu was playable in the fourth Smash (with Off Waves as his Final Smash, of course).

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#25968: Oct 18th 2013 at 10:36:05 AM

^^And I was kinda meaning on one on one sense anyway <_<

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#25969: Oct 18th 2013 at 10:55:05 AM

I wonder if Sakurai ever reads similar forums for inspiration, or what his thought process is like. Would I ever secretly lurk on forums about my own video game for input?

edited 18th Oct '13 11:44:07 AM by FOFD

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25970: Oct 18th 2013 at 11:19:16 AM

Yveltal should be a Pokeball Pokemon, and it just kills everyone. waii

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#25971: Oct 18th 2013 at 12:40:20 PM

This is why they shouldn't do stuff like add "Hip" characters or clones like Dr Mario in the first place.

I can answer that: no. We don’t have the time to fully recreate every single character who’s been in Smash Bros at this point.

Adding new characters is not a simple addition – it’s really multiplication. The amount of work, adding a character is multiplied and becomes bigger and bigger as you go. We can’t because of the amount of work it takes. However, I do believe I understand that each character has its own set of fans out there who really like that character.

So we’re not going to cut characters out of the way, we’re going to put in as many characters as we can, we really want to do that, because it's good for the fans and good for all of us. But in the event that we do have to cut some characters, I’d like to apologize in advance to those fans.

More reason why Toon Link should never have been in either game to begin with. The fact that he's made a return in #4 is even worse.

And if I'm not mistaken, Mewtwo was practically finished for Brawl, though for whatever reason they left him out. Just think, if they hadn't bothered with Mini-Link, they might have actually had time to put the finishing touches on him and include him in the game for real.

At least Lucario was his own unique character.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#25972: Oct 18th 2013 at 2:29:26 PM

Mewtwo wasn't "practically complete"; he had a bit more info than for the others, such as a victory fanfare, but not all too much. Really, I'm tired of people going "if only they didn't waste time on thing I dislike, they might have been able to complete thing I like". For all we know, they might have known they had no time for Mewtwo, so they put together a clone to make up for it. Or, generally, that the decision to include TL had nothing to do with the decision to exclude Mewtwo.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#25973: Oct 18th 2013 at 2:36:49 PM

Alright, so, Pokeball pokemon. Obviously there's Xerneas, which means that the odds for Yvetal are pretty high. I'm going to come up with some Pokeball pokemon because I feel like it.

  • Yvetal - Oblivion Wing: Flies straight up, and then comes in from the background. Anyone it hits when it comes in is instantly KO'ed.
  • Xerneas - Geomancy: Charges up energy for about seven seconds or so. Then it releases it, healing anyone near it and giving them short-term invincibility.
  • Honedge - Double-Edge: Floats near where it spawns, and functions as an item. Honedge works like a beam sword and deals a lot of damage, but harms the user while it is wielded.
  • Gogoat - Take Down: Sits there, waiting to be ridden. Once someone gets on, it charges. Can be turned by the user and dismounted at will, but won't hesitate to drive itself off a cliff if not stopped.
  • Inkay - Topsy-Turvy: Floats around, and causes the screen to get wibbly. While it's out, damage taken is damage healed and vice versa.
  • Cofagrigus - Imprison: If someone other than the user gets close, it grabs them and imprisons them inside its body, and they take lots of damage until they break free. (Like Gulpin but it hurts more.)
  • Galvantula - Electroweb: Forms a yellow web where deployed and sits in the center. Anyone who hits it is slowed and shocked while in its radius.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#25974: Oct 18th 2013 at 2:40:24 PM

Klink- Gear Grind: The two halves of Klink split apart and get on each side of a random foe. After a few seconds, they slam together, trapping the person inside and dealing a good deal of damage, before launching them straight down. Careless bystanders can also get caught up in Gear Grind, including the person who sent it out. A well-timed jump or dodge roll will save the victim from being hit at all, though.

🏳️‍⚧️she/her | Vio Rhyse Alberia
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#25975: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:16:27 PM

More reason why Toon Link should never have been in either game to begin with.

It's more like "More reason why Toon Link should have been decloned".

aaaand there's the first Pokéball 'mon confirmed.

This news was known a few pages back.

I wonder if Sakurai ever reads similar forums for inspiration, or what his thought process is like. Would I ever secretly lurk on forums about my own video game for input?

If I did, I'd probably get into disputes with people who claim they'd know my roster choice processes with the irony that they don't know I was the creator. And how I'd "coincidentally" turn out to be right every time. evil grintongue

edited 18th Oct '13 7:47:52 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

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