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#25901: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:01:24 AM

Although Nintendo published the game, Platinum Games actually developed it, so I don't personally think they own any W101 characters any more than they own Bayonetta. But anything's possible.

Good to finally get a Pokeball Pokemon after all this time.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#25902: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:18:14 AM

Nintendo might not own the Bayonetta franchise, but I believe they at least partially own Bayonetta 2, seeing as how they provided 100% of the funding for it.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25903: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:19:04 AM

[up] They have exclusive rights to Bayonetta 2, but the IP is still owned by Sega.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#25904: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:19:18 AM

Why does Square Enix keep rereleasing Final Fantasy IV? Because they know a bunch of people consider it the greatest game of all time and will keep buying it no matter how many versions of it they have (like... uh... me, who owns the SNES, GBA, DS, PSP, and two PS 1 versions, one in the original Japanese... not to mention two versions of The After Years).

If I had to throw out the most likely character in the Square-Enix stable to get into Smash... I'd have to go with a Slime from Dragon Warrior. Their American fanbase is sufficiently fractured that they'd probably hear complaints regardless of who they chose, so why not instead try to focus on the Japanese fanbase? And you already know its Final Smash - Metal Slime mode.

The deal with Kingdom Hearts is a bit complex, as I think there are lots of subclauses about how much S-E and Disney have to be involved with any character use, including programming. Sora would be a pretty conventional choice, but I think it'd be a legal nightmare for Nintendo to get him in there.

That said, of the various choices they could make, I think Neku of The World Ends with You would be the best choice. He could be an interesting variant of Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer - Neku is always out, but he can switch between Shiki, Joshua, and Beat for certain attacks, and his Final Smash would be the attack that finishes the Final Boss (no spoilers, but trust me, it has "Final Smash" written all over it).

Finally, if we're keeping it to just Final Fantasy characters, I think it'd have to be Gilgamesh. Popular, appears in multiple Nintendo incarnations, is probably the Final Fantasy character most mentally suited for Smash... plus, you could do a variation of his schtick by having him randomly pull out different weapons used by other Smash characters (Ness' bat, Dedede's hammer, the Master Sword, the Goddess Bow...).

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#25905: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:27:54 AM

How would you feel about a character from Osu Tatakae Ouendan / Elite Beat Agents making it in? With some kinda of trippy Dance Battler rhythm moveset?

Most likely that Ryuta guy since he was on the first game's box.

edited 18th Oct '13 6:28:18 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#25906: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:29:54 AM

Reggie Fils-Aime is probably lobbying Sakurai for an EBA character as we speak.

Given that there's no practical difference between any member of either the Elite Beat Agents or any of the Ouendan teams (well, maybe the microphone in the case of the EBA), you could have the "alternate outfits" just be different members of each team, and just have them all play the same, just look different.

If they did that, dibs on Chieftan.

edited 18th Oct '13 6:30:18 AM by 32_Footsteps

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#25907: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:35:16 AM

[up]I'm guessing Reggie's a fan of EBA?

I'd think considering Nintendo is a Japanese company, they'd be more incline towards Ouedan if either of the games got a rep.

edited 18th Oct '13 6:43:54 AM by MagcargoMan

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#25908: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:52:12 AM

Because if it is a third party I'd be kinda against a character from that game's inclusion for the same reasons I'm against Bayonetta being in the game: People only really wanting them because they are recent.

Bayonetta is recent..and arguably the best hack n' slash on consoles. That and Nintendo is going out of their way to Publish Platinum Games titles to attract a wider audience, so why not do some in-game advertisement? It's win-win.

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#25909: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:57:18 AM

Bayonetta I'm not so sure about, if only because The Wonderful 101 is there and it's an IP that debuted on Nintendo first.

Also I get the argument about "cheap advertisement" a bit. Sure, Nintendo's guilty of that too (hi there Lucario) but in those cases the I Ps are definitively Nintendo's. Bayo and the Wonders are in a gray area regarding that situation since we don't know who owns them.

edited 18th Oct '13 6:57:58 AM by Nap1100

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25910: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:58:26 AM

Wrong. We know for a fact that Sega owns Bayonetta. It's The Wonderful 101 that is more ambiguous.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#25911: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:01:18 AM

That and Nintendo is going out of their way to Publish Platinum Games titles to attract a wider audience, so why not do some in-game advertisement? It's win-win.

No it isn't. How is it fair that someone who only got in simply because she has a new exclusive coming out gets in over a third party character that has had a long history with Nintendo?

This is why I'm against advertising characters in games, because there are more important characters who should be in instead. It's why I don't want characters like Ghirahim or Chrom. People need to stop and think that these characters being in the most recent game doesn't automatically make them important than someone who has more history with the franchise (Looking at you, people who think Zoroark should replace Lucario), and that characters like these will be like Jigglypuff and be in Smash despite not being relevant anymore.

edited 18th Oct '13 7:01:55 AM by MagcargoMan

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#25912: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:02:01 AM

From all accounts I've read, Reggie is a fan of both Ouendan and EBA, and that his involvement was largely responsible for EBA to begin with (also supposedly, he's responsible for Good Charlotte appearing in multiple Nintendo products, as he's supposedly a fan). If this is true, and I have little reason to doubt it, I could easily see Reggie pushing for it (whether or not he'd succeed is another matter, of course; I just think he'd be all for lobbying for the character/characters).

With some companies, I could get the "oh, they're Japanese, they'll only think about the Japanese market" mentality that I've seen about. But Nintendo is a multinational corporation that realizes just how much of their profits come in from outside of their home country. Would they throw in things to deliberately appeal to Americans and Europeans? Of course they would. Also, keep in mind that Germans Love David Hasselhoff applies in both directions for the franchise - just as Americans turned out to love Ouendan, the Japanese loved EBA. There's an argument to be made that pandering to the Japanese would make the EBA more likely and pandering to the Americans would make the Ouendan teams more likely.

Since I own all three of the games in question, I've seen just how much alike each of the dancing teams in question move. They're just reskinning the same characters no matter what. I think the only thing that would potentially stop them from including the Elite Beat Agents, the Elite Beat Divas, and both Ouendan teams from appearing would be that it'd eat up a ton of memory just for reskinning. Though I could see the leaders of each male team (and maybe Commander Khan) being the different "palettes" and having the same moves - that's 9 different appearances right there. That way, you also could please fans of the entire series by not showing favor to one game or the other.

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#25913: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:05:13 AM

The trouble with Wonderful 101 is that it didn't do so hot, at all... Bayonetta's got a better shot since her first game did well enough (only after dropping into the bargain bin, but still)

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#25914: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:05:29 AM

[up][up][up][up]Nintendo owns the Wonderful 101 IP.

edited 18th Oct '13 7:06:28 AM by Halberdier17

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#25915: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:06:57 AM

With some companies, I could get the "oh, they're Japanese, they'll only think about the Japanese market" mentality that I've seen about.

I only said that because one character I suggested got shot down on this thread because said character was not popular in Japan.

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#25916: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:07:04 AM

Mewtwo could double as advertising AND being old-school! Because, you know. Who didn't want a Mewtwo as a kid?

Also, yeah, I prefer notability over recentness, but that doesn't mean recent characters should be ruled out completely. Wonder Red, although only in one game, was a new IP on the Wii U and... someone else could reason this better than me, probably. Wonder Red wasn't any more notable than, say, Ice Climbers (except Wedgewood has personality, and is from a game a lot of people seem to love).

I can agree that one-off characters like Ghirahim would be bad ideas, although I can't argue for or against anything from Fire Emblem.

[up]Who was the "not popular in Japan" character? Because if it was Mike Jones, I'd love to see Mike myself.

edited 18th Oct '13 7:08:08 AM by NesClassic

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#25917: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:08:59 AM

No it isn't. How is it fair that someone who only got in simply because she has a new exclusive coming out gets in over a third party character that has had a long history with Nintendo?

Didn't know a hypothetical inclusion of Bayonetta automatically steals a spot from someone else. Here's the problem with that type argument, The inclusion of one character isn't the final deciding factor of someone not getting in. If the devs want to put in "___" amount of characters they would. I don't see nearly as much complaining about two versions of Link causing someone else to get snubbed.

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#25918: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:10:44 AM

[up] x7: Eh, sorry to break it to you, but I'm almost certain Chrom is getting in because his game does have significance to the Fire Emblem franchise—specifically, Fire Emblem Awakening's success saved the series from dying. Saying he won't be included is just denial.

Then again, this is Sakurai, so he may just throw everyone for a loop and put in Inigo or something. tongue

edited 18th Oct '13 7:12:02 AM by Nap1100

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#25919: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:11:02 AM

[up][up][up]Krystal. Only because a Magic Spear sounds like an awesome weapon and would provide a unique fighting style.

edited 18th Oct '13 7:11:08 AM by MagcargoMan

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#25920: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:12:34 AM

I don't know much about Star Fox, but hey. Krystal is better than Falco, at least.[lol]

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#25921: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:12:42 AM

[up][up][up]Instead of Chrom I would prefer Lucina to represent Fire Emblem Awakening.

edited 18th Oct '13 7:12:56 AM by Halberdier17

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#25922: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:14:42 AM

Eh, sorry to break it to you, but I'm almost certain Chrom is getting in because his game does have significance to the Fire Emblem franchise—specifically, Fire Emblem Awakening's success saved the series from dying. Saying he won't be included is just denial.

Or he could keep Ike who actually appeared in more than one game; one of the very few lords to be the star of more than one game besides Marth himself. Chrom's a one-shot lord, unless he gets a second game. He's no more important than Roy, Sigurd or Hector.

And then add a third rep who has done something deserving rather than "I'm new".

edited 18th Oct '13 7:15:33 AM by MagcargoMan

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#25923: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:15:28 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Really? I saw a fair amount of complaining about Toon Link when he was revealed for 4. Also heard it in my mind.

[up]Eh, I don't really care whether or not Chrom gets in, and I do like Ike more than him, but I would say that Chrom is equally as significant as Ike. Awakening is the bestselling Fire Emblem in a long while.

Although, even if we do get Chrom, I would want to get another new FE rep that does something different, like Micaiah or Anna.

edited 18th Oct '13 7:17:37 AM by beorc

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#25924: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:17:01 AM

[up]Speaking of which, I'm glad Toon Link returned; he was one of my mains. But I'm very disappointed he's still a clone.

I mean, if Sakurai can make movesets for characters like Villager and Wii Fit Trainer, surely he can declone Toon Link.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#25925: Oct 18th 2013 at 7:20:17 AM

Yeah in all honesty I'm not too thrilled about Chrom myself (my picks would be either Robin, Anna, or Hector) but really he's just as likely as anyone in this case. A franchise-saving game is equally as important as multiple games.

edited 18th Oct '13 7:21:19 AM by Nap1100


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