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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25776: Oct 15th 2013 at 7:33:05 PM

Gameplay is not in and of itself a reward for gameplay! That's a cyclical argument.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25777: Oct 15th 2013 at 7:35:34 PM

It can be, such as unlocking new levels or somesuch. But generally most gameplay-unlock chains have SOME kind of non-gameplay reward where the buck stops.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25779: Oct 15th 2013 at 7:55:37 PM

No.

Or rather, it's not a good enough reason to play story mode when there's a perfectly serviceable arcade ladder.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25780: Oct 15th 2013 at 7:59:10 PM

There are other rewards. Trophies, Songs, Stickers, other Unlockables. I did admittably like the ability to unlock the Masterpieces. Those themselves feel like actual rewards.

Gameplay in itself is not a reward, though. Specific items may be, though.

Shadow?
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#25781: Oct 15th 2013 at 8:00:47 PM

Eh, the best games have gameplay as the final reward. That's part of what's made Sonic Adventure 2 so immortal to me: your reward was the retro remake of Green Hill Zone, rendered in SA 2's engine. Or Super Mario Galaxy, where the 120-stars reward is replaying it all as Luigi.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25782: Oct 15th 2013 at 8:06:24 PM

But those are different ways of playing the game that require being unlocked.

There needs to be a reason to play story mode that isn't the regular gameplay, because there are already several modes that do that. So the reward is obviously viewing the story. If you don't need to play the game to do that, then it's redundant and the time and money spent working on it are best spent elsewhere.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#25783: Oct 15th 2013 at 8:13:59 PM

[up]But that argument could be made for every other game with a story mode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#25784: Oct 15th 2013 at 8:18:46 PM

Story rewards could also be gameplay-based, however. New Game Plus is one possibility, or characters unlocked for beating single-player modes.

doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#25785: Oct 15th 2013 at 8:44:40 PM

Fun gameplay is a reward for paying fifty dollars. Something cannot be a reward for itself if it's given at the beginning. That's the opposite of what reward means.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#25787: Oct 15th 2013 at 9:22:21 PM

I think we're having a semantics issue. Enhancements to the gameplay, through extra characters, modes, or stages, are a reward.

GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Wants Captain N for SSBU
#25788: Oct 15th 2013 at 9:27:59 PM

To put it simple:

Situation 1: I reward gameplay with addition to gameplay, like new stages or weapons or whatever.

Situation 2: I reward gameplay with THE VERY FUCKING SAME GAMEPLAY.

It's like saying, I reward making homework with making homework. Not just new homework, the homework you have just done. It's like saying, fulfillment is the reward of doing your chores, only worse, as your reward is having done that thing.

Even simpler:

EAT THAT DONUT. GOOD, YOUR REWARD IS THAT DONUT YOU'VE JUST EATEN.

edited 15th Oct '13 9:28:10 PM by GaryCXJk

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#25789: Oct 15th 2013 at 9:32:23 PM

So, perhaps what he has planned is something different.

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#25790: Oct 15th 2013 at 9:43:45 PM

Let's put it this way. You've just climbed Mt. Everest and then climbed back down. Your reward is that you have the option to climb up and down the mountain again.

Or, alternatively, you are sitting on a couch. Want a reward for sitting on that couch? TOO BAD, WALUIGI TIME!!

I really have no idea what I'm even talking about anymore, so I'll just say that I really hope Waluigi is playable.

Also, I really hope they don't include Ridley solely to troll everyone who wants him in the game.

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25791: Oct 15th 2013 at 9:45:37 PM

Then I counterspite by hoping Waluigi isn't in.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#25792: Oct 15th 2013 at 9:51:37 PM

Well then I COUNTER-counterspite by hoping C Di Ganon doesn't get in!

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25793: Oct 15th 2013 at 9:59:52 PM

YOU DARE DENY CD-I GANON?! YOU MUST DIE!!

-Insert lame-looking thunder-hand-blasts-

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25794: Oct 15th 2013 at 10:03:01 PM

Can I just say how much I like the word "counterspite"?

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#25795: Oct 15th 2013 at 10:06:39 PM

It's like saying, I reward making homework with making homework. Not just new homework, the homework you have just done. It's like saying, fulfillment is the reward of doing your chores, only worse, as your reward is having done that thing.

Except the difference between Gameplay and Homework/Chores is that Gameplay is y'know, actually fun.

EDIT: Honestly, if your playing something in a game for PLOT-only...

edited 15th Oct '13 10:34:03 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
00Davo Fourth Wall Eliminator from the Internet Since: Jan, 2001
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#25796: Oct 15th 2013 at 10:49:02 PM

… then you are probably playing Ace Attorney.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#25797: Oct 15th 2013 at 10:49:48 PM

Or a Zero Escape game.

Or Dangan Ronpa.

Or any other visual novel with token puzzle elements.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25798: Oct 15th 2013 at 10:50:27 PM

Some do play for plot-only. And there's nothing wrong with that either.

I myself care more about gameplay, though. But to each their own respectively.

Shadow?
MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
Hooray! Bubble Party!
#25799: Oct 15th 2013 at 10:52:37 PM

[up][up][up] & [up][up] - Visual Novels don't count.

edited 15th Oct '13 10:53:13 PM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#25800: Oct 15th 2013 at 10:55:04 PM

And why not?

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