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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#25401: Oct 3rd 2013 at 7:02:35 AM

Oh, I certainly agree that an Original Generation character would be difficult to do well. There's one outside method I could see of doing it well (if they had another Subspace Emissary-style mode, and they really nailed the story that happened to feature the newbie), but I admit that the likelihood of pulling it off is slim (the flip side is, if they did succeed, it'd probably be the sign that we'd be looking at a nigh legendary game). But regardless of whether it would be a good idea or not, I just have a gut feeling that they will do it.

If it makes folks feel better, my track record for gut feeling random guesses like that has been pretty spotty ever since I nailed a prediction about what a second Valkyrie Profile game would be. So, that's 7 years of bad guessing for those curious to keep score.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25402: Oct 3rd 2013 at 7:06:32 AM

If they were to ever have an original generation character I'd prefer it if they had them as the protagonist of an RPG that was a spin-off of Smash Brothers first. Sort of like Kingdom Hearts but with Nintendo characters instead of Disney.

edited 3rd Oct '13 7:06:46 AM by Kostya

Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#25403: Oct 3rd 2013 at 7:49:03 AM

That sounds vaguely similar to the original plan for the Wonderful 101...

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PeiraIssaNoid Zeddicrux from Surf Ninja Moon X Since: Sep, 2013
Zeddicrux
#25404: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:11:58 AM

Mr. Game and Watch is kind of an original generation character- the actual character itself hasn't shown up in the titles he bases his moves off but he's more or less based off the generic people in those games but not really a specific one.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#25405: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:17:51 AM

Mr. Game & Watch's character design is taken from the random victims in Parachute and Fire, and he's presumably meant to be The Everyman character from all the games without a previous established lead. Granted, he still uses items from some of the Mario G&W entries, but hey.

Speaking of Mr. Game & Watch, I'd love to see a new Up Smash for him- My vote goes to stabbing things with the Magic Sword from the Zelda G&W.

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Null ... from ... Since: Apr, 2009
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#25406: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:19:20 AM

[up][up]That seems to be slightly more like a composite character rather than an original one, similar to Dissidia's Warrior of Light and Onion Knight.

edited 3rd Oct '13 8:19:30 AM by Null

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PeiraIssaNoid Zeddicrux from Surf Ninja Moon X Since: Sep, 2013
Zeddicrux
#25407: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:20:33 AM

the actual character as is though originates from Smash Bros

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#25408: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:30:06 AM

He's still derived almost entirely from a previous series, however.

Really, if anyone's an Original Character, it's R.O.B.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25409: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:32:53 AM

Nope. R.O.B. was a full toy and named that and was named that in Mario Kart DS. He doesn't count.

Now, the Ancient Minister is one. Same with a lot of the other bosses.

Shadow?
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25410: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:33:19 AM

Except ROB was an actual thing, and appeared in Mario Kart DS. Including the real-world ROB toy as a character in the games at least at some kind of precedent.

The Ancient Minister is just ROB wearing a cloak. I wouldn't really count that.

edited 3rd Oct '13 8:34:21 AM by BadWolf21

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#25411: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:35:50 AM

R.O.B. isn't a true Original Generation character, no, but the Subspace Emissary established him with a kind of backstory usually reserved for such characters, to the point where his personal icon is both a Gyro and the SSE logo.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25412: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:44:42 AM

R.O.B. is no Original Generation character. He's an Alternate Character Interpretation.

However, Ancient Minister is an Original Generation character. They just happen to be the same person, that's all.

Much like Bowser is the same person as Giga Bowser in Smash's storyline(at least in Melee), but they definitely are distinctive characters.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25413: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:51:31 AM

That doesn't make any sense.

TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Just a simple hero
#25414: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:57:57 AM

It's like how Dr. Mario is the same person as, but treated as a seperate character from, Mario in Melee, if it were "canon" to the story instead of just a gameplay thing.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25415: Oct 3rd 2013 at 9:04:07 AM

[up] Slightly different, as they're not treated as the same person or character in Smash.

Person =/= Character, keep in mind. Anybody can share multiple forms, but they're treated as unique characters entirely, especially in fighting games. And by Word of God here. Zero Suit Samus and Samus are both treated as separate characters, notably. Ancient Minister is hardly different in this case. His Trophy even has a different symbol to show this.

Shadow?
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#25416: Oct 3rd 2013 at 9:22:01 AM

Are we doing this again?

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#25417: Oct 3rd 2013 at 10:13:46 AM

ROB was part of the NES experience, and a character even though he was not on-screen in his main game, Gyromite. His move-set is entirely original, but he would hardly be the first Smash Bro to get one, since all of Fox's moves except Blaster had no precedent in any game (only the on-foot secret mode of 64 multiplayer counts. Barely, hence Blaster) when the original game came out. Captain Falcon yet more so.

Only SSE had original generation characters (and aside from Tabuu, i'd rather they didn't. Those robots were just annoying and could have been better served by having two more bosses from Nintendo fame. Why, there were no Zelda bosses in SSE at all...)

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25418: Oct 3rd 2013 at 10:19:33 AM

The SSE did a pretty poor job at repping Nintendo itself. It was nice that underrepped series like Metroid got two bosses, though. But F-Zero got almost nothing besides a kickass introduction for Captain Falcon, who did a similar action to his Falcon Punch in the Anime specifically.(they're not the same, but the idea is there. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a coincidence, though)

We did get a lot of Zelda enemies in Melee, but no DK or Metroid ones. Kirby ones were nonexistent. Albeit, a lot of the enemies are pretty much carbon copies of Kirby characters, so it's not that big of a deal in that case. Mother got a full stage related to it, with a "boss" of Porky's Statue, and a regular boss too.

I felt it kind of went half-and-half on the Nintendo parts. Maybe more Original than Nintendo? It's hard to say without looking at the exact data. Notably, all the unique R.O.B.'s besides the playable one were specific to Brawl as well. At least, I think they are. Trophy-wise, they originated in it, but that's not the best source since Sakurai has screwed up before on it... I mean, Zelda's Light Arrow didn't originate in Twilight Princess? tongue

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PeiraIssaNoid Zeddicrux from Surf Ninja Moon X Since: Sep, 2013
Zeddicrux
#25419: Oct 3rd 2013 at 10:25:10 AM

How exactly do you represent F-Zero though? Pretty sure most of Falcon's moves are made up or from obscure sources. You can't exactly have any bosses from F-Zero seeing as they are all in cars...

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#25420: Oct 3rd 2013 at 10:26:34 AM

I think those Voltorb-like exploding monsters should count as Pokemon representation. Maybe.

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PeiraIssaNoid Zeddicrux from Surf Ninja Moon X Since: Sep, 2013
Zeddicrux
#25421: Oct 3rd 2013 at 10:27:10 AM

If you squint really hard...

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25422: Oct 3rd 2013 at 10:27:26 AM

They did it fine in Melee by having the cars there. You could even destroy them if you were lucky during Adventure Mode, and they're destroyable on the Mute City stage.

Also, Black Shadow and others could have a moveset. Hell, just having an exact replica of Blood Falcon there would make enough sense. He's evil, could work with the bad guys. It was very doable. And he has a costume in-series, although they could just edit the Adventure Mode version to look exactly like him, fangs and all.

[up][up] They have similarities, being round. I'm not sure they were similar to any Kirby enemy. But Pokemon got a boss, so who cares? tongue

edited 3rd Oct '13 10:28:08 AM by Irene

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#25423: Oct 3rd 2013 at 11:59:09 AM

I'd say R.O.B. is the closest to an OG character, considering almost all of his moves were made up... but then we could say that for people like Samus as well...

...anyways, if there IS an Original Generation character I'd prefer it to be someone who already exists within the Smash Bros. series, so that Smash Bros. is recursively represented in Smash Bros. My vote goes to either a Primid or Tabuu (boss characters have been nerfed when becoming playable before, don't look at me like that).

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25424: Oct 3rd 2013 at 12:13:29 PM

I'd rather not have an OG character, though the idea of Smash Bros. recursively representing itself is amusing. It IS its own Nintendo franchise after all.

ROB is somewhat close to being OG since all its moves are original, but I wouldn't really consider it to be an OG character, just one with an OG moveset.

I wonder if ROB will return or not. I'd hope so.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#25425: Oct 3rd 2013 at 12:14:39 PM

ROB represents the real worldwaii

edited 3rd Oct '13 12:14:47 PM by doctrainAUM

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