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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#25351: Oct 2nd 2013 at 11:31:56 AM

thing is, those are all things Peach can do. What Ness has is the equivalent of Peach breathing fire, or using Mallow's weather magic.
She may not breathe fire or have weather magic, but she can spontaneously combust and summon the wind and make it rain using her own tears. Oh, those wacky women and their emotions!

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25352: Oct 2nd 2013 at 11:33:46 AM

That was because of the power of Vibe Island. All the enemies and bosses in that game had similar powers.

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#25353: Oct 2nd 2013 at 11:34:39 AM

@Enlong: That misses my point. Both of them take things from the game(s) they're in and utilizes them. Peach doesn't have much of her own unique stuff. Parasol and Frying Pan were it by the time of Melee. More than one character could slap, high kicks weren't that big of a thing. Tennis Racket and Golf Club are definitely not specific, same with her Vegetables. Toad too. So she has 3 specific moves, but at least 3 that were normal among the entire cast.

I get what you're saying, though.

@Beorc: Wait now I'm confused. Was Licas a typo and Enlong meant Lucas?

edited 2nd Oct '13 11:35:22 AM by Irene

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#25355: Oct 2nd 2013 at 11:39:55 AM

Bah, you're still the best to me Bulbasaur. sad

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#25356: Oct 2nd 2013 at 12:03:32 PM

[up][up][up] right. The important thing is that, even if they're not unique to her, they're all abilities she can use. Ness has never had Fire, thubder, PSI Magnet, or Starstorm.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25357: Oct 2nd 2013 at 12:04:57 PM

Adult Link couldn't use the Boomerang either. tongue

I'm not sure Sakurai really cares at this point, as long as it somewhat represents the games well enough. Also, Ganondorf. Just... Ganondorf.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#25358: Oct 2nd 2013 at 12:08:27 PM

Not OOT adult Link, anyway.

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#25359: Oct 2nd 2013 at 12:15:09 PM

And that's who appeared in the first game. He pretty much was model ripped straight from it.

Again, I get what you're saying, but gameplay trumps accuracy every time.

I'm more interested in a bit of uniqueness than accuracy anyway.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#25360: Oct 2nd 2013 at 12:22:38 PM

And Sakurai is on record as having made a mistake with that specific move choice. He didn't know adult Link didn't have that item. I think we've mentioned that before.

But it stuck, like Ness's moves.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#25361: Oct 2nd 2013 at 12:38:58 PM

I never could find a clear source for that. Just a rumor on it. Another rumor about Melee also had Pokemon Trainer as an idea for Melee, as well as Sakurai wanted a G/S Pokemon.(Pichu himself was a last minute addition due to clones. We have no idea who he would've chosen for a G/S rep if the clone bit didn't come up. It was just a "ooh, if it works...")

However, there's no denying he used the model from OOT. I still find Ganondorf a perfect example of this.

In the game, he did ground pound with his fast, causing an earthquake. We can see him doing a super powerful punch in-series. Meaning his moveset makes legitimate sense, close or not. He's also a powerful wizard. While he fights like a monk, he still shows off the idea of the Triforce of Power. Even better in Brawl, when he summons one of his Ganon variations for a move.

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#25362: Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:06:50 PM

Ness's moves would have been unique, if hard to balance right compared to the moves he did get.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#25363: Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:12:42 PM

That's not to say Ness was ever balanced well. Okay, he was better in Brawl, so that was probably fine. Still, I wish he had a good triple jump, or at least have PK Thunder 2 easier to perform. I know it's supposed to be Difficult, but Awesome, but it sucks even when I manage to get it. Yoshi doesn't have a triple jump, either, but I consider that to also be a flaw.

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#25364: Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:13:47 PM

Lucas has an easier time of it, to be sure.

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#25365: Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:15:11 PM

He didn't have much to work with. Also, I'm more happy with his current move set as it was already unique anyway.

To me, being unique from the current cast is somewhat important. I'd rather change up Lucas a bit. His Up B and Forward B could use something else. PK Ice and his version of PSI Shield work differently enough. PK Fire and PK Thunder are too similar to Ness'. Oh, and Star Storm, obviously.

I'm also very happy a lot of moves from the entire Mother cast got in. Peach did that a bit showing off other Mario games besides Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros. She brought in RPG, Golf, Tennis, and 2 USA.

[up][up] Brawl fixed that. His second Jump was already good, but his Up B now gives him a boost. Combine that with two Air Dodges, and well...

edited 2nd Oct '13 1:16:32 PM by Irene

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#25366: Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:18:47 PM

PK Thunder recovery is pretty good, actually.

Also, Brawl made it so that Yoshi's Up-B gives him some additional height.

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#25367: Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:19:37 PM

He had more to work with than Lucas.

Hypnosis, Paralyze, Teleport, Shield Beta (could have been like Counter), slingshot, and of course Rockin'/Kiai.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#25368: Oct 2nd 2013 at 1:22:19 PM

I heard that Project M gave Lucas Offense Up, replacing PK Freeze, which itself replaces PK Fire. Anyway, for this move you hold B to charge up power. Charge it enough, and Lucas' next smash is stronger. Being hit during the charge cancels it. A partial charge does nothing, but it can be held by shielding or rolling.

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#25369: Oct 2nd 2013 at 9:16:54 PM

So much has been speculated about the characters. What about the stages? Is there some special setting you would like to see in the game?

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#25371: Oct 2nd 2013 at 9:29:57 PM

At some forum, I suggested Magicant. I was thinking of the one from Earthbound, but the one in Mother might work. It might have to be a castle stage, though, and we have enough of those.

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#25372: Oct 2nd 2013 at 9:31:38 PM

Besides a Bowser's Castle stage, I'd like a stage based on the Air Battle portion of Lightning Battle, from Kid Icarus: Uprising. Functioning similar to Brawl's Space Armada stage, with you flying on something while the battle between the Underworld and Viridi's forces rages in the background. Maybe with Pit being able to contact Palutena, Hades, Viridi, and Phosphora like the Star Fox crew can do on their stages.

Plus, dat music:

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#25373: Oct 2nd 2013 at 9:31:39 PM

Lost Underworld.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25374: Oct 2nd 2013 at 9:34:19 PM

As for Earthbound, I'd like Deep Darkness. Definitely one of the more memorable dungeons from the game.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#25375: Oct 2nd 2013 at 9:36:08 PM

Saturn Valley, complete with five Mr. Saturns playing laDDeR as a stage element!

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