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#148476: Jun 27th 2025 at 12:33:12 AM

Ahem, Kid Icarus.

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#148477: Jun 27th 2025 at 12:48:04 AM

So...nothing then.

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#148478: Jun 27th 2025 at 12:49:56 AM

Kid Icarus, Meteos, Mushiking.

That's already four more titles and franchises with varied gameplay aspects. Kumazaki-stans also appearing out of nowhere to "take" Smash is hilarious.

Edited by Ookamikun on Jun 27th 2025 at 12:51:01 PM

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#148479: Jun 27th 2025 at 12:50:23 AM

Meteos too.

Honestly, it's better to do some research before coming up with such apathetic comments.

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#148480: Jun 27th 2025 at 1:49:58 AM

You chose to give the one game that I was specifically excluding...

I'm not sure working on more than one "series" is enough to say anyone who takes Sakurai's place would be devoid of bias.

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#148481: Jun 27th 2025 at 5:46:41 PM

It's just that the Kumazaki folk coming out of the woodwork and those people somehow have a chip on their shoulder.

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#148482: Jun 29th 2025 at 4:33:07 PM

Should we really put unofficial Game Mods on Homestage/Super Smash Bros, especially as its unlikely that Nintendo would approve of third parties modding their games without permission?

The reason I ask is Smash Remix was added back to the page after being deleted and I want to know if there's any thread consensus on whether it belongs there or not?

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#148483: Jun 29th 2025 at 4:35:42 PM

[up]I’d say no, as they aren’t part of the series as defined by the wiki for the purpose of troping. They’re fine on the mods’ own pages.

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#148484: Jun 29th 2025 at 5:08:33 PM

As I explained in the edit reason, troping mods is also valid, and there's the thing about Crosswicking, so merely having the examples in the mods' pages is not kosher. If there's another section of the Home Stage page where they can go, they could be moved there. But merely cutting the examples is not acceptable.

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#148485: Jun 29th 2025 at 5:18:54 PM

[up]But they aren’t part of the series. They can go on the general page for the trope.

Wait… is HomeStage.Super Smash Bros a subpage of the work or the trope?

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jun 29th 2025 at 8:19:54 AM

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#148486: Jun 29th 2025 at 5:22:26 PM

A subpage of the trope. That's why the trope's name acts as the namespace.

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#148487: Jun 29th 2025 at 5:28:26 PM

So what I would do is put it on the mod’s own page and the trope’s top level page in the Platform Fighters folder.

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#148488: Jun 29th 2025 at 5:48:06 PM

I support that.

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#148489: Jun 29th 2025 at 7:49:18 PM

Yeah I'd rather not have unofficial stuff in official trope listing. Have them in their own pages.

Also when is Home Stage a valid tope or something? This is the first time I'm seeing it. Are we becoming a wiki?

Edited by Ookamikun on Jun 29th 2025 at 7:51:02 AM

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#148490: Jun 29th 2025 at 8:13:35 PM

So what I would do is put it on the mod’s own page and the trope’s top level page in the Platform Fighters folder.

I did move the homestage entry as you can see in this link, but the part on the Super Smash Bros. page was added back.]

If we're going to have Smash mods on Super Smash Bros page, should we do the same for other Nintendo mods on nintendo pages like Zelda and Fire Emblem?

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#148491: Jun 29th 2025 at 8:42:32 PM

I support removing because game mods are a type of fan work, and fan works aren't normally grouped together with the source material due to not being officially part of the series. We've had a ATT query about fan games being indented under the main work a few months ago and I think that the same mindset applies here, after all mods and fan games may be different but they are both separate from the main series.

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#148492: Jun 29th 2025 at 8:52:02 PM

[up][up]Thing is, however, those same examples have to be recorded in the trope article. If mod examples shouldn't be in the franchise's subpage for that trope (though honestly I never heard any rule against this — as I mentioned in my edit reason, the only thing that isn't allowed is to add examples of mods and fangames in the official games' work pages), then at least they should be in the main article's Platform Fighter folder, alongside the other examples from that genre. The idea behind Crosswicking is that, if you have an example of Trope X that appears in Work Y, then it has to be listed in both Trope X's article and Work Y's. The conflict in this case is that Super Smash Bros. has its own Home Stage subpage.

EDIT: [up] and [up][up][up] "Having them in their own pages" but not in the trope pages runs afoul of the policy about crosswicking examples.

Edited by MyFinalEdits on Jun 29th 2025 at 11:54:21 AM

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#148493: Jun 29th 2025 at 9:02:41 PM

Yes you can put it on the main trope subpage, when people are saying to keep it on their own page, they're saying to just keep it off the main series page because fan works aren't part of the main series

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#148494: Jun 29th 2025 at 9:07:59 PM

I didn't say anything about adding the examples to the main series' page (in fact, the examples were never there to begin with; the involved page is HomeStage.Super Smash Bros, which is a subpage of the Home Stage trope and not the Super Smash Bros. series page). But otherwise we seem to have reached an agreement to put those Smash Remix examples into the Platform Fighter folder of the main Home Stage article, yes?

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#148495: Jun 29th 2025 at 9:17:32 PM

When I said main series page I meant HomeStage.Super Smash Bros

which is a subpage of the Home Stage trope and not the Super Smash Bros. series page

That doesn't really impact anything

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#148496: Jun 29th 2025 at 9:23:32 PM

The main series page is VideoGame.Super Smash Bros, I think you're misunderstanding the context of the word "Main" here. =/

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#148498: Jun 29th 2025 at 9:30:59 PM

Hey, it's alright. This part was just semantics. smile

I'll go ahead and move the Smash Remix examples to Main.Home Stage, then.

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#148499: Jun 30th 2025 at 12:00:26 AM

In said Homestage, just make a Smash Remix page/entry for it rather than plopping it under Smash Bros. It's that simple. I know fans are a bit excited because new thing and lack of Smash news, but better contain it and be rational.

Edited by Ookamikun on Jun 30th 2025 at 12:00:43 PM

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#148500: Jun 30th 2025 at 12:21:07 AM

[up]...what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with fans "being excited because new thing and lack of Smash news" (for starters, the mod is fairly old), and the examples were already moved to the main Home Stage. Your comment was frankly uncalled for (and also had a condescending tone).

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