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omega2900 Jemerald of Brainrot from The Midwest, where everything is MID! (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: In my bunk
Jemerald of Brainrot
#144276: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:13:08 PM

I'd only accept Claude if his portrait on the CSS is upside down.

In all seriousness, I can see Claude being a very agile zoner with a ridiculous pressure game and that sounds pretty sweet.

Get taxed. Idiot.
ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#144277: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:22:51 PM

Byleth's moveset has always felt like they made four different good movesets and then cobbled them together. They don't flow or feel good in one moveset - it feels very messy and like a poor way of implementing the weapons from Fire Emblem. A better way of doing it would've been to have just made four different movesets and swap between them with down-b. And before you say that's too much work, they already did Pythra and Pokemon Trainer. This would not be much harder then that.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#144278: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:24:48 PM

The moveset seems to work pretty well since the've been buffed...

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#144279: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:26:16 PM

Eh, my personal taste is that sometimes it gets annoying how fan service can define a character design more, like how Female Byleth is really just sexy alt Male Byleth. Like original Mythra is trying too hard, and original Pyra is ridiculous because she is covered head to toe while her midsection is so exposed as much as they could possibly do. It's like she's wearing an inverse bathing suit. Their designs are Bayonetta-style over the top fan service.

Reminds me of an episode of MST 3 K where a woman is woken out of bed wearing a nighty and the camera lingers on her at chest level for 30 seconds while Tom goes "OK, breasts, we GET it!" Fan service is always a thing, but sometimes it can get annoying if people focus on it too much.

Wasn't there controversy or complaints about Soul Calibur Ivy's outfit being ridiculously revealing?

-Witty line-
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#144280: Apr 17th 2022 at 9:01:35 PM

Yea, but those people were always going to complain either way. Even though she does have a more modest alt & you can actually go out of your way to give her an outfit to your liking.


Along with Dimitri, I would've loved them being alt outfits for Byleth. Granted, it would've been a major disservice to their characters but that was a compromise I was willing to make. The only real problem I can think of is what they can do about the Creator Sword? I suppose Edelgard would also be a problem, but I find that to be pretty irrelevant.


wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#144281: Apr 17th 2022 at 9:47:55 PM

[up][up][up][up]I don't have a problem with Byleth's moveset. I could see a weapon switching Down+B working, though. After all, it's an element of my moveset designs for Travis Touchdown and Champion Cynthia (linked in my master post). I could also see it working for a potential Monster Hunter fighter. And it's sort of how I would redesign Chrom and Lucina.

[up]The only reason I didn't mention Dimitri is because while I'm glad others like him, he's just not my type, and I really like Edelgard and Claude. Nothing personal.

I've edited my master post of how I'd change certain Smash characters, and what new characters I'd add. Most relevant to current discussion is how I'd change Chrom and Lucina.

    Chrom and Lucina 
These changes are mostly to make their gameplay more unique from Roy and Marth, and reference other Fire Emblem gameplay mechanics not yet covered in Smash. Chrom and Lucina can be echo fighters of each other, with their differences between each other being their physical attributes (speed, height weight, etc). Whatever is not changed can still take inspiration from Marth.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Apr 19th 2022 at 11:44:04 AM

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#144282: Apr 17th 2022 at 10:29:45 PM

It's your opinion I don't see the problem with that.

Shyhero Unmotivated dyslexic writer. from Sofa Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Unmotivated dyslexic writer.
#144283: Apr 18th 2022 at 6:41:57 PM

     Smash 64 

Super Mario Bros.

  • Mario
  • Luigi note 
    • Gooigi
  • Peach
    • Dasiy note 
    • Peachette
  • Bowser
    • Dry Bowser
  • Dr. Mario
  • Rosalina & Luma
  • Bowser Jr.
  • Piranha Plant
  • Wart
  • Geno
  • Mallow

Donkey Kong

  • Donkey Kong
    • Funky Kong
  • Diddy Kong
  • King K. Rool
  • Dixie Kong
  • Tiny Kong

The Legend of Zelda

  • Link
  • Zelda note 
  • Sheik note 
  • Young Link note 
  • Ganondorf note 
  • Toon Link note 
  • Lana / Cia
  • Linkle

Metroid

  • Samus Aran
    • Dark Samus
  • Zero Suit Samus
  • Ridley

Yoshi's Island

  • Yoshi
    • Crafted Yoshi
  • Birdo

Kirby

  • Kirby
  • Meta Knight
  • King Dedede
  • Bandana Waddle Dee
  • Adeleine
  • Susie note 

Star Fox

  • Fox McCloud
  • Falco Lombardi
  • Wolf O'Donnell
  • Krystal
  • Andross note 

Pokémon

  • Pikachu
  • Jigglypuff
  • Pichu
  • Mewtwo
  • Pokémon Trainer note 
  • Squirtle
  • Ivysaur
  • Charizard
  • Lucario
  • Grininja
  • Incineroar
  • Hisuian Decidueye
  • Gardevoir

Mother

  • Ness
  • Lucas
  • Ninten

F-Zero

  • Captain Falcon
    • Jody Summer
  • Black Shadow

     Melee and Brawl 

Ice Climber

  • Ice Climbers

Fire Emblem

  • Marth
    • Lucina note 
  • Roy
    • Chrom
  • Ike note 
  • Robin
  • Corrin
  • Byleth
  • Anna note 

Game & Watch

  • Mr. Game & Watch

Kid Icarus

  • Pit
  • Palutena
  • Dark Pit note 
  • Medusa
  • Viridi

Wario

  • Wario
  • Captain Syrup
  • Ashley

Metal Gear

  • Solid Snake

Sonic the Hedgehog

  • Sonic The Hedgehog
    • Shadow The Hedgehog
  • Miles "Tails" Prower
  • Knuckles The Encihnda
  • Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik

Pikmin

  • Olimar & Pikmin note 
  • Alph & Pikmin note 

Robotic Operating Buddy

  • R.O.B.

     4 and Ultamate 

Animal Crossing

  • Villiger
  • Isabelle
  • Crazy Redd

Mega Man

  • Mega Man

Wii Fit

  • Wii Fit Trainer

Punch-Out!!!!

  • Little Mac
  • King Hippo

Miis

  • Mii Brawler
  • Mii Swordfighter
  • Mii Gunner
  • Mii Spellcaster

Super Smash Bros.

  • Tabuu
  • Echo Shard note 

Pac-Man

  • Pac-Man
    • Mis. Pac-Man

Xenoblade Chronicles

  • Shulk
  • Pyra / Mythra

Duck Hunt

  • Duck Hunt Duo

Street Fighter

  • Ryu
    • Ken Masters
  • Chun-Li

Final Fantasy VII

  • Cloud Strife
  • Sephiroth
  • Tifa Lockhart
  • Chocobo

Bayonetta

  • Bayonetta
    • Jeanne

Splatoon

  • Inkling
    • Octoling

Castlevania

  • Simon Belmont
    • Richter Belmont

Persona

  • Ren "Joker' Amamiya
  • Elizabeth

Dragon Quest

  • The Hero

Banjo-Kazooie

  • Banjo & Kazooie

Fatal Fury / The King of Fighters

  • Terry Bogard

ARMS

  • Min Min

Minecraft

  • Steve?/Alex?/Zombie/Enderman

Tekken

  • Kazuya Mishima
  • Jin Kazama

Kingdom Hearts

  • Sora

     New 

Paper Mario

  • Paper Mario

Ring Fit Adventure

  • Ring Fit Trainee

Famicom Detective Club

  • Ayumi Tachibana

Nintendo Wars

  • Andy note 

Brave Brave Spirit

  • Goku note 

Pro Wrestling

  • The Amazon

Ace Attorney

  • Phoenix Wright
    • Apollo Justice

Rayman

  • Rayman

Raving Rabbids

  • Rabbid

Soul Series

  • Nightmare
    • Siegfried Schtauffen

* Shantae

  • Shantae

Space Channel 5

  • Ulala

* Captain N: The Game Master

  • Kevin Keene

Wreck-It Ralph

  • Wereck It Ralph

Bowsette

  • Bowsette

I'm not good at restraining myself..

Edited by Shyhero on Apr 22nd 2022 at 9:47:08 AM

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#144284: Apr 18th 2022 at 7:03:54 PM

It's a shame they didn't do more with echoes. Several of the 3rd parties have such easy picks for echoes.

-Witty line-
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#144285: Apr 18th 2022 at 7:11:39 PM

Yea, well apparently they just took too much time to be a thing.


[up][up]

What's the context here?

Edited by agent-trunks on Apr 18th 2022 at 7:11:59 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#144286: Apr 18th 2022 at 7:49:25 PM

[up][up][up]I assume that's a wishlist for wanted characters? That's... not really organized in a way to make it clear what you're talking about.

[up][up]They could've usd some of the custom moves that didn't work out for more echo fighters. I implemented them similarly to that under my master post's section on "delta fighters", at the end.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Apr 18th 2022 at 11:57:53 AM

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Shyhero Unmotivated dyslexic writer. from Sofa Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Unmotivated dyslexic writer.
#144287: Apr 19th 2022 at 12:55:46 AM

[up] Not organized I went by Franchise? Divided them up by when the franchise was added to smash. I indicated the Echo fighters

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#144288: Apr 19th 2022 at 3:18:04 AM

But it is a wishlist, right?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#144289: Apr 19th 2022 at 3:34:03 AM

Considering it lists Smash 64, it's pretty clearly is despite a slight bit lacking in context.

...I should do one of those at some point(though I wouldn't cut a character anyway, just add more. Unrealistic, sure. Though I'd also change a tiny few movesets, mostly to differentiate some Echoes a bit more).

Shadow?
Shyhero Unmotivated dyslexic writer. from Sofa Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Unmotivated dyslexic writer.
#144290: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:23:30 AM

[up][up] Yes it's a wish list.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#144291: Apr 19th 2022 at 9:45:31 AM

At the very least, Palutena and Megaman's unused custom moves from 4 should have been repackaged into making Medusa and Protoman playable.

But several 3rd parties have such easy echoes that they could make like Simon and Richter.

Sonic/Shadow

Snake/early series Raiden

Megaman/Protoman

Cloud/Zack

Bayonetta/Jeanne

Luminary/Erdrick (seriously, Erdrick not being the default is like making the default Dr Mario while Mario is an alt skin)

Steve/Alex (instead of being an alt costume)

Kazuya/Jin or Heihachi

Sora/Roxas (hell, echo status here is canon to Kingdom Hearts!)

Ms Pacman wouldn't work because of the legal nightmare around her.

Banjo and Kazooie don't have another character like themselves in their game.

I'm not too familiar with Terry's characters but odds are someone can easily be picked.

Joker is unique, could someone copy him?

Ironically Sephiroth has copies in his game but no one close to his playstyle.

-Witty line-
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#144292: Apr 19th 2022 at 10:11:59 AM

I'm not too familiar with Terry's characters but odds are someone can easily be picked.

Surprisingly, not really. While he has practiced under a specific martial arts, he has also freestyled his actual fighting style where other characters don't really share it. The closest character who really has similar moves to Terry is Rock Howard, but he also has his own moves and some moves taken from his father Geese. Like Reppuuken is similar to Power Wave in some aspects, but different in other.

Only sometimes posts
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#144293: Apr 19th 2022 at 10:16:50 AM

Shadow doesn't really fight like Smash Sonic, though. And Heihachi doesn't fight like Smash Kazuya. Jin would be closer.

What issues are there regarding Ms Pacman?

Following a MockRockTalk video, I organized the characters I made movesets for into tiers, based on how much I'd actually want them in as playable characters.

  • S: Travis Touchdown, Shantae, Tails, Agumon
  • A: Eevee, E.M.M.I., Chun Li
  • B: Viewtiful Joe, Yoshimitsu, Champion Cynthia, Mii Mage, Morrigan Aensland
  • C: Cia (Hyrule Warriors), Daroach, Yuna, Lara Croft, Chell
  • D: Tabuu, Max (Shining Force), Carmen Sandiego, Risky Boots
  • E(choes): Black Shadow, Dixie Kong, Medusa, Ms. Pac-Man, Proto Man

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Apr 19th 2022 at 11:59:09 AM

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RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144294: Apr 19th 2022 at 10:59:13 AM

What issues are there regarding Ms Pacman?
I believe that while Bandai-Namco now has ownership over Ms. Pac-Man, all the issues regarding royalties with the original developers of the game is still an odd minefield.

Shyhero Unmotivated dyslexic writer. from Sofa Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Unmotivated dyslexic writer.
#144295: Apr 19th 2022 at 6:41:19 PM

Sorry, my list was so long. Even if I think I should go hard on the villains and spellcarters.

MetalMichelangelo Since: Nov, 2012
#144296: Apr 19th 2022 at 6:56:37 PM

What fate awaits collectibles?

I doubt they'll go back to trophies for real life reasons in that they require too much effort for something aesthetic. I doubt they'll reuse spirits for in-universe reasons since that would require Galeem and Dharkon to survive or bring in new Eldtrich Abominations which is pointeless since they'd be filling the same roles.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#144297: Apr 19th 2022 at 6:59:00 PM

They'll probably just keep Spirits and forego an in-universe explanation.

Brawl had a vague explanation for Trophies but it didn't stop them from keeping them around for Smash 4.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#144298: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:01:50 PM

I really miss trophies. Back in Melee my brother and I had this game we'd play where one of us would pick a trophy, then zoom in at a weird angle, then show it to the other and they'd have to guess which trophy it is. Course, in Brawl they took away a bunch of movement and rotation options so we couldn't play anymore.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#144299: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:15:22 PM

I was a little bummed out at first, but now I think Spirits are better because they can draw from all games, whereas Trophies tended to only be from games with 3D models to import.

I miss the descriptions, though.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#144300: Apr 19th 2022 at 7:22:27 PM

They still made new models anyway...

It's not like they were consistent...

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