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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#144251: Apr 17th 2022 at 4:27:10 PM

While I definitely was a little disappointed some of the characters I wanted to be playable didn't make the roster, I don't think I was actually disappointed in any of the characters we did get.

If I had to say which characters I was the most excited for, I would have to say Byleth and Sora.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#144252: Apr 17th 2022 at 4:41:07 PM

Hero is probably the only character in the roster I'm actually disappointed in. And that's due to the unfortunate combination of being a franchise I don't care about, bringing very little interesting side-content with them, lack of English VA making them feel incomplete, a moveset that feels derivative from Link and Robin, and the RNG bullshit in critical hits and the Down-B.

Everybody else has something worthwhile to me, though Terry and Kazuya cut it pretty close; I don't like how the fighting game controls are implemented in Smash.

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RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144253: Apr 17th 2022 at 4:46:09 PM

I fully admit that I would have preferred Twintelle as the ARMS rep for the melanin count, but I still adore Min Min and play as her all the time. Wasn't disappointed by any of the DLC characters we got.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#144254: Apr 17th 2022 at 4:54:52 PM

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There's not a single new character I don't believe that shouldn't be here. They were either excellent or phenomenal choices. Although I do have to agree that Dragon Quest does push it. I could nitpick the hell out of Banjo & Kazooie & Min Min but they're still very fun to play. Scummy tactics aside.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#144255: Apr 17th 2022 at 5:19:47 PM

Why does Hero not having an english voice matter even in the minor, it's not like he says words anyway...

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#144256: Apr 17th 2022 at 5:28:48 PM

Closest I came to disappointment was Kazuya. Not for anything against the fighter himself (though he was one of the three DLCs I didn't know at all), but because seeing a dead Ganondorf at the start gave me brief hope we'd be getting Ganon as fighter.

Edited by FGHIK on Apr 17th 2022 at 7:29:04 AM

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#144257: Apr 17th 2022 at 6:10:18 PM

I think you're kinda stretching that, but I can still very much sympathize with what you've said.

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#144258: Apr 17th 2022 at 6:46:53 PM

I felt nothing at Steve. Not happiness. Not disappointment. Just...."oh. Ok."

Byleth was eye rolling, especially being the copy/paste reveal of Corrin. However now I enjoy playing as them. I don't like female Byleth as her fan service is too distracting.

Sephiroth was a happy shock, Sora was jaw dropping and Banjo Kazooie still brings a big dumb smile to my face every time I rewatch the trailer.

I had no attachment to Joker but I love that he is in the game and doesn't stick out as not belonging. Terry is really fun. Hero is nice but I prefer Erdrick as the default. Pyra and Mythra are fun and great additions. Min Min is meh meh.

But Kazuya. Something is weird with him. It feels like the Smash fanbase talked about him for a week and moved on. At times, it felt like the fanbase acted like he wasn't on the roster. I didn't see people integrate the Tekken material into the Smash lore and fanon like the other franchises (like animations, comics, things like that).

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144259: Apr 17th 2022 at 6:55:17 PM

Byleth also made me feel something towards the Fire Emblem haters. ...What's the word I'm looking for, Hubert?

I too would've liked Twintelle from ARMS for the melanin, but I can see that Min-Min made sense.

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omega2900 Jemerald of Brainrot from The Midwest, where everything is MID! (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: In my bunk
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#144260: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:00:20 PM

I find it a bit strange that you say F!Byleth is distracting with fanservice when the Aegis are from a game that's listed under the Best Known for the Fanservice entry.

Edited by omega2900 on Apr 17th 2022 at 9:11:36 AM

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#144261: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:14:06 PM

[up]I think its because of male Byleth. So when compared, Female Byleth stands out more and it makes the fanservice style stick out. Or if Female Robin was design like that while Male Robin was the same. It feels like it's an unnecessary fan service addition, especially when it wasn't the same for both genders.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
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#144262: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:18:48 PM

Well, Fanservice can be pretty subjective. Not to mention the double standards that come with it.

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#144263: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:20:19 PM

They're also somewhat different characters with unique names(in Japan), so they weren't just only a gendered counterpart. Thus, being designed with different thoughts makes a bit more sense.

Not saying fanservice in mind is a good thing or anything like that, but it's not the same thing as Robin or Corrin.

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#144264: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:25:46 PM

All true. I think it's just how un-fanservicey male Byleth is presented, so Female Byleth's more fanservice design just doesn't look well to me. It's like the Halloween costumes that sexy up usually unsexy jobs.

And I actually hate Mythra's original design. It looks like it was trying too hard.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#144265: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:27:12 PM

Actually, Corrin does have the same problem but it's an incredibly worn-out topic for me.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#144266: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:30:27 PM

Corrin has the same problem as being designed and named differently from the male version?

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#144267: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:30:43 PM

Though I'd like to know why they didn't want Min Min. Maybe it wasn't their favorite ARMS' character? It could also be the playstyle(which admittedly is weird to use).

I think it’s because he hasn’t played AR Ms. I think it’s as simple as that.

His mentality was that the DLC should only have characters that are talked about commonly.

Now, I don’t know if he’d have thought the same thing if my most wanted (Neptune) got in, but I know he’d say that he’d be happy for me regardless.

(As for why I mentioned Paper Mario, namely because I was thinking of what first party characters he’d be okay with right off the bat.)

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omega2900 Jemerald of Brainrot from The Midwest, where everything is MID! (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: In my bunk
Jemerald of Brainrot
#144268: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:38:38 PM

I just remembered what I was going to type regarding everyone forgetting Kazuya exists. My guess probably has to do with his complexity and they didn't want to put in the effort to learn him.

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ThriceCharming Since: Nov, 2013
#144269: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:44:14 PM

I don't see what's so fanservicey about female Byleth. Is it the belly shirt? That's pretty minor imho... There's much more blatant fanservice (both female and male) in the game.

RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144270: Apr 17th 2022 at 7:48:26 PM

It's amazing how just adding tights to Pyra and Mythra's outfits made me like their character designs so much more.

As for female Byleth, I think the best description I've heard is that her outfit is like the "sexy Halloween" version of male Byleth's.

ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#144271: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:02:51 PM

I'm disappointed in Pythra due to my dislike of Xenoblade 2, Joker because his moveset was...not good...And Byleth, because of both my not wanting another fire emblem fighter AND their moveset being awful.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
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#144272: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:04:20 PM

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The Smash community has the biggest Fan Myopia so I appreciate the clarification.


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You're the only guy I've met that I completely agree with when it comes to that topic.

Edited by agent-trunks on Apr 17th 2022 at 8:04:41 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144273: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:05:28 PM

[up][up]The backlash against her design that I've heard has to do with how impractical it would be for battle, especially in the places where it's made sexier than male Byleth's.

Usually I'm all for Bare Your Midriff on a badass sexy warrior, but I can get that it might seem a bit much given everything else she has going on. If she had just one of:

Then it would be more acceptable. But all four is overcomplicated and a bit of overkill.

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#144274: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:06:14 PM

Honestly I think both Byleth designs are fine.

i just wish we got one of the house leaders over byleth to be completely honest

..mostly claude...

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#144275: Apr 17th 2022 at 8:11:02 PM

I think the implementation of Byleth was perfect for also allowing for the house leaders. That way if I want to play as a close approximation of Edelgard or Claude I still can!

It would've been nice if the two "fused with Sothis" costumes were instead recolored to represent Rhea and Yuri, though.

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