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#127101: Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:01:25 PM

Swordfighting is an incredibly diverse fighting style with a ton of variations between type of sword and way they're used, almost as much variation as every other weapon fighting art combined. The fact that both Soul Calibur and Samurai Shodown, both fighting games with the majority of their diverse and unique cast being swordfighters, exist proves that. It's not about limitations with the weapon.

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#127102: Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:03:02 PM

Oh right, whenever Protoman is playable he usually is the "expert mode" kind of character right? More damage but less defense, relies on "expertise" (e.g. shield) to survive?

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#127103: Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:25:03 PM

[up][up]I mean, duh?

I don't actually think all swordfighting is the same. In fact I specifically referenced Iaito in my post. Let alone that I've previously come up with an entire movelist for Yoshimitsu, referencing both Soul Calibur and Tekken, or that Soul Calibur is one of my favorite series. It's just that some people whine online about the Fire Emblem lords, so I figured I'd differentiate them in terms of Smash moves.

I'm surprised I wasn't clear, and apparently so unclear that I got a sarcastic response, somehow.

Hell, in the Soul Calibur thread, we'd had a discussion about half-swording, and other varied longsword techniques.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 2nd 2020 at 12:29:33 PM

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#127104: Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:26:01 PM

I also recall Blue/Prot being able to chuck his shield like Cap does.


That I'm really tired about the swordsman complaint & who should & shouldn't be in the game.

FYI, none of my sarcasm was directed at you.

Edited by agent-trunks on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:28:53 AM

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#127105: Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:28:01 PM

[up]Okay, got it. It seemed to me like it was, hence my surprise.

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#127106: Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:29:15 PM

Yea, sorry I didn't make that clearer.

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#127107: Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:53:13 PM

Oh, I took that question about "what is the point or sarcasm here" a different way.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 2nd 2020 at 11:53:43 AM

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#127108: Mar 2nd 2020 at 11:19:30 PM

@Ookamikun. Whenever both Protoman and Mega Man are playable together, Protoman can slide, use charged shots, and has shield when he jumps while Mega Man has double the defenses and less knockback.

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#127109: Mar 3rd 2020 at 6:37:28 AM

Oh right, whenever Protoman is playable he usually is the "expert mode" kind of character right? More damage but less defense, relies on "expertise" (e.g. shield) to survive?

Considering he's the prototype, shouldn't he be weaker and inferior to Mega Man in every single way possible?

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#127110: Mar 3rd 2020 at 6:40:44 AM

In canon, he also has an unstable core.

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#127111: Mar 3rd 2020 at 6:41:37 AM

[up][up]That's not what prototypes are, though. Not necessarily.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 3rd 2020 at 9:09:37 AM

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#127112: Mar 3rd 2020 at 6:42:56 AM

Super Prototype is a thing. If I'm not mistaken, ProtoMan's thing is that he has an unstable reactor which is supposedly liable to blow (but, of course, never has).

Edited by TheHeroHartmut on Mar 3rd 2020 at 2:43:05 PM

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#127113: Mar 3rd 2020 at 7:09:14 AM

[up]And even that trope's definition is wrong... It assumes a prototype must be "version 0.9.9.9.8Final_FINAL02 - WORKING" or something like that, where the immediate next thing is "Version 1.0.0 for mass consumption". A prototype can be literally anything that comes before the final product, including the above. Even if the only change is optimizing features, or adding future-proofing, or adding planned obsolescence features, or spinning it off into a different end product entirely.

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#127114: Mar 3rd 2020 at 7:27:54 AM

In anything mass-produced, prototypes are typically of higher quality, because they have to serve as the template for the production run.

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#127115: Mar 3rd 2020 at 8:16:36 AM

I suppose that raises the question whether the Robot Masters subsequently built by Dr. Light were intended for mass production (since Rock and Roll seemed to be more for personal companionship and general help for Dr. Light himself). Given that they were built with specific purposes in mind (Guts Man for construction, Cut Man for forest logging, etc.), this would suggest they were. Proto Man seems to have been the proof of concept.

Edited by TheHeroHartmut on Mar 3rd 2020 at 4:17:03 PM

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#127116: Mar 3rd 2020 at 8:58:06 AM

I thought it's established that some of them were intended to not be one of a kind, but they just ended up that way? I mean, what's the use of building a robot to assist with logging, or construction, or... sheep herding, if only one of them is in operation worldwide?

In other news, the Sonic movie has been doing really well, and Sega also stated in January that there will be a different Sonic announcement every month this year on the 20th, for a Year of Sonic. I can only hope one of those announcements is a movie sequel, one is Tails in Smash, and one is a new game. I can't remember the Sonic franchise ever having this much joy in it's usually unpleasable fanbase.

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#127117: Mar 3rd 2020 at 8:59:48 AM

It's stated that Dr. Wily upgraded Proto Man when he found him in between 2 and 3. Given that Wily seems to be more of the engineer between him and Light, i can see why Proto Man can match his brother in specs since it was Wily who converted him into a combat robot.

It appears that Proto Man's glass cannon status and stronger shots than Mega Man is due to the Nuclear core that Wily placed in him.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 3rd 2020 at 9:06:40 AM

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#127119: Mar 3rd 2020 at 10:17:59 AM

[up]You're fun.

The root of the Proto Man talk was his application as a hypothetical echo fighter. When I brought up the success of Sonic I mentioned that Sega was teasing several Sonic announcements, and hoping that one might be another Smash character. Those conversations are entirely on topix.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 3rd 2020 at 12:22:23 PM

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#127120: Mar 3rd 2020 at 10:19:20 AM

I'm happy that Zero and Dr. Wily are assist trophies. Just want to say that.

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#127121: Mar 3rd 2020 at 12:53:30 PM

It seems to me that, due to a shield not being necessary, that Bass would be more likely to be a Mega Man echo than Proto Man. Honestly, as an old-school fan of the Mega Man franchise, I'd honestly be happy with either.

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#127122: Mar 3rd 2020 at 3:23:46 PM

Japan is getting a physical card made to look like a Smash Invitation to purchase Ultimate's Fighters Pass Vol. 2 on March 23rd.

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#127123: Mar 3rd 2020 at 3:25:14 PM

So it seems like we'll be getting the first character somewhere around that time.

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#127124: Mar 3rd 2020 at 3:26:01 PM

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#127125: Mar 3rd 2020 at 3:26:53 PM

And hopefully, the announcement will be within a general direct.

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